and with us, nancy giles and michael scolding, the director of hip hop director russell simmons.>> this is a situation that presents the fundamental tension in what we want in urban communities. you guys sitting next to each other is ideal. because on one hand we're so outraged when we see a kat like janila watkins. whether or not it's gang related is tragic. we're outraged when we see an innocent bystander shot to death because a gang member was looking for someone. it was mistaken identity. at the same time the urban communities are saying to the police, get in there and do something about it. but when police go in, the way they respond, the more force that is used, we're not happy with that either. you're saying stop and frisk is not the way to find the balance. >> the most important thing is what any community wants is they want the police to police in a way that gets guns off the street. that targets the criminals. the problem is the increased police presence that we're seeing in new york as well is they're policing entire communities where everybody in the black or brown co