smith. >> what wallace could do that nobody else could do, he could go do that interview with johnny carson or a head of state or whomever. ronald and nancyplace between peers. it wasn't like he was reaching up in any way. they looked at him as an equal and that, i think, in many ways is what set him apart. >> you bring up a point there. you say he reached out to the younger correspondents as they came in and they were able to learn from him. i mean he's really one of the last of an incredible generation of journalists. what do you think modern news media can learn if his career? >> it's interesting because he did so much spectacular work. what we tend to not focus on very much is he had this ingrained show business past. >> i didn't know he was on stage. >> he was on stage, he did game shows, he did commercials, back in the old, old days of the news announcers were part show business, part news announcers, they weren't journalists per se, especially in the early days of television and he took some of that panache along with him, as he went into the business and that's what, there was an aspect of him that was, he was a performer. that se