. >> my name is nancy stafford. i'm a professional dogf wal wal. there is definitely an increase in the use of parks. whenever there has been discussions over the last couple of years, i have discussed there has always been a demand for more off-leash areas and not less. i guess you could go into an off day and not see very many dogs. they are heavily used and we need more spaces. in the evenings in the mornings, they are overcrowded. the other point i want to make is a study that was done about the clovers that studied over 5700 dogs of which only 6% actively chase the birds. of which, only 19 cases of the clovers. -- chased the clovers. 19 is not a significant impact. supervisor cohen: ladies and gentlemen, we need to take a five minute break. we will start with this gentlemean. supervisor wiener: supervisor mar had to go. there is still a quorum here. just five minutes. supervisor wiener: next speaker. >> thank you. >> for decades, i have been going to the local parts for hiking and relaxation. and the fact that we are about to lose it to based