i'm absolutely against that. >> larry: naomi, what do you think. >> well, it is, in fact, not illegal is required to capture them from the wild or to import them and it is a public process so the public is aware when somebody wants to public be is somebody wants to conduct a capture or import and they can comment on it and protest it, if they wish it is true that nobody has tried to capture any marine mammals, any whales or dolphins, in the wild for captivity since 1993, but not because it is illegal, only because the publicity, the pr was so negative in that 1993 capture, which was off the coast of california that nobody's tried it since. however, we have heard that seaworld is interested in pursuing captures of some species of whales or dolphins in some parts of the world and we are very concerned about that. >> larry: nancy, do you think -- you are not going to see it end, are you? >> well, of course, the whales are still in captivity, it's true, they cannot be released in the wild, especially the ones that were born in captivity. so you know, those need to live out a good life tha