amy: i want to bring in naomi klein. naomi klein, senior contributing writer at the intercept and ubc professor of climate justice at the university of british columbia. naomi, you wrote a piece in the intercept and the guardian "greenwashing a police state: , the truth behind egypt's cop27 masquerade." you point out that the tens of thousands of people that will be at the climate summit in egypt, democracy now! we'll be covering it and we will be there, that number may well be less than the number of political prisoners in egypt's jails. can you talk more about this? >> hi, amy. hi, sanaa. i think the number is important because it is hard to wrap your head around it, but i think amy has been covering cop for more than a decade. there really kind of a city within a city. they are huge. more than 35,000 delegates. this is a combination of government negotiators and activists and ngos, envoys, a few world leaders mixed in, environment ministers the world over. so it will just be very, very large. but that will be about ha