youngsters meghan crocker is director of the national suicide prevention and trauma recovery project naomi muffy is a community activist and kristi sharma is a senior research at with human rights watch we also asked the government's national indigenous australians agency to join us but they toned down our invitation bought they did send a statement and i will be sharing that with you a little bit later on ladies thank you so much for being part of today's show make and there are just 2 numbers that are in my head right now one is 10 that's the age of criminal responsibility l strain the other one is 50 times more in teaching as youngsters are incarcerated what young says in australia those 2 numbers are shock. what does that mean to family and if we take it away from numbers and we talk about family what does that mean. it means that it's broken families families that are hit with a debate subjected to racism or discrimination. law is actually pretty clear here in which this right now as mentioned in the other video here we have a mother and the discrimination is really what we are putting nati