charles anderson is the president of the detroit urban league, naomi patton is the city hall reporter for the detroit press? what do you think is at play? is it fact that the fact that the city was built largely on the auto industry and that industry has collapsed? >> yeah, that's a huge factor, and which would seem obvious, but there are a number of other factors at play, but that's -- that's the most obvious hit. there were these people that relied on these jobs for decades, now they are gone. they are looking to find out what's next. but it's not apparent at this point. >> yeah, charles, let me ask you. what is next? many say that detroit is the birthplace of the black middle-class in america, although chicago claims the same mantle. what is next, i guess, for the middle-class, the middle-class life, in detroit? and what are -- what are people doing to try to -- to proceed with a future that is bright for the middle-class there? >> well, you know, it's not just the jobs that gm has cut and ford and other companies have cut, it's also the jobs that connect to the general motors, aut