charles is in naperville, illinois, republican caller. we are talking about housing assistance in this country, going back to president johnson's vision for a so-called great society. he passed legislation to help out with low income and middle income americans. what are your thoughts, what are your questions, charles? caller: since lbj's motivation and inspiration for the great society was to end poverty in the united states, 50 years later, after billions of dollars spent, are there more people in poverty today or less? host: kent watkins, maybe you can answer that in the scope of housing and housing situation. guest: right, because i am not a poverty economist. but certainly, again, it depends on which groups are taking the .ata and interpreting it ase groups would say, such the low income housing coalition, that there is a greater need. other groups would say that we are taking care of this and we are on the right track. host: how many different federal programs are there for housing assistance? how many different agencies are doing i