when the fop and napo agree to the mandatory wearing of seat belts, lives will be saved because people will be required to wear it who normally think it's uncomfortable and their life will be saved because of that. leadership is on both sides, in labor and management. in boston, where i'm from, we used to say, management gets the kind of union they deserve. management gets the kind of union they deserve. so, if you treat people badly, your union gets more militant. and i think the best example here, sitting right at the table is in philadelphia. what's happened with the philadelphia union. it was a very militant union in philadelphia. and not to say it's not still a strong union but now there's communication. i think a lot of this is leadership but it's a little bit idiosyncratic. you need the right personalities. i have seen over and over again, whether it's labor or management, someone will say, and jim pasco can correct me if i'm wrong here, is we have a new union president, so now things are bad. or we have a new chief who doesn't think their role is to talk to the union. so when y