recovery support services and there's many, of course, paths to the family not only al-anon and narc-anon, but also, of course, culturally when you talk about latinos or african americans, you know african americans they'll go to the church first and they'll see the pastor before they'll see a professional, and, of course, they'll take the whole family and the pastor is not skilled in the course of addiction and disease so it's very important also that the families get all the resources in the community and know about not only addiction but also mental health and how do i tap into those resources? well we are training- nacoa is going around the country training. it's called a nondenominational training program. we have some clergy guidelines as to what clergy can do. so there are resources, at least we're beginning to pay a little closer attention to the role of faith and everyone has faith initiatives that they're working on as well. but i want to get back to the whole experience of relapsing. in spite of all of this, there will be some individuals right, keith, that will relapse? absolu