for the most progressive people there's a next stage in life and they still often have a narcissistic narrative. there are some people who would engage on an intellectual level and talk about it but the end of the day where we send to our kids are very different decisions. i would love to know in terms of that progressive segment and in terms of your role in the policy arena and what do you think it takes to bring about change? i'm just going to add an i think it takes people from low socioeconomic backgrounds and people from ethnic backgrounds to be the decision-makers. >> thank you. >> i agree with you. i think it's about changing the narrative and changing who is in the room. i think there is also a rail assessment in the stories. people's jobs are tied to the poverty narrative or saying people like this or telling the same stories. your livelihood in the way get paid is potential stories and that's why have a job and you keep those narratives moving. until we disrupt these systems that are predicated are built on the backs of poor black people that nothing is going to change. and it's easy