with the numbers, nariman behravesh, ihs chief economist.hanks for coming on the show. >> thank you. melissa: what does it mean for the economy in your opinion? >> let's take each of those one by one. melissa: yes, please. >> the shutdown and separately the debt ceiling. the shutdown in a sense is smaller problem or at least potentially in the sense that the numbers we crunched that suggest for every week that the government is shut down, growth in the fourth quarter is cut, is reduced by .2 of a percent. just to give some specific examples. we currently think fourth quarter growth, 2.2%. so got a one-week shutdown, goes down to 2%. two week-shut down, goes down to 1.% on and on. so it has a real impact in terms of growth. melissa: although, i mean the only problem with that is, these are the guys who make the rules. so i feel like they always say things will come to a grinding halt and we'll not pay any bills and you know, woe is me and people will be out in the streets. then they say, well, it is only, the unnecessary services that are the