house the congress have a different narrative and this extends all the way from the russian provinces of chips you know and august on to the middle east and the united states sees all this or most of this kind of rebellion and islamic areas as a kind of democratic insurgency washington thinks the arab spring is about democracy. britain and the russian leadership view this very differently partly because russia is also an islamic country with twenty minute million muslim citizens the position in moscow has been beginning with the war in chechnya and now the anti terrorist operations in industrial and isn't about the markers in these people aren't rebels they're terrorists so the narrative extends all the way from russia to the middle east because putin's view of the middle east is the same that the forces that have been unleashed in the middle east the act the establishment forces aren't democratic therefore their extreme islamic forces are going to be more terrorism in till moscow and washington can resolve these conflicting narratives the kind of cooperation that you want from our in

the first in a simple icon narrative collapse. the idea they are is any present society it's hard to tell a story, to live by this story. stories is what we been using since aristotlestein mart before to share our values and make her points. it goes back as far as the bible and comes back to the commercial where the girl is going to go do a prom but she gets a good and it gets worse. finally she finds the occupied and puts it on as she is relieved to go to the prom and we could be relieved and then finally relax. except now with digital devices, remote controls coming dvr is coming vcrs, pause button for changing the channels, we don't have to sit through that anymore. so what do we do? rico wade. with the this story before it's even reached the peak. so this whole notion of striving towards a goal, whether it's cap of a summer communism company do these great danes so you get good in the afterlife. the ends justify the means to do some goal no longer make sense, not what we work for a common knee and may crash our pension before

(woman) most of japanese music is based on narrative. in other words, in japanese music, the text is primary for most pieces. and the clarity of the singing voices is very, very important. the narrative is actually a pathway through the music. so, in a sense, the narrative is shaping the form, and this in contrast to many musical styles around the world where repetition of particular phrases is quite important. this is quite different from that. [music continues] the text of the song "yugao" is quite melancholy. yugao is a woman in "the tale of nji," and after genji has an affair with yugao, she actually dies in his arms because of the vengeance of lady rokujo. "holding a fan permeated with faint scent "of fragrant incense, the owner of the house "offers genji a blossom of the evening faces "glittering with pale dew. "in a brief dream, he is bound together with yugao, "a flower ever more beautiful. when he awakes, he feels keenly the chilly winds of midnight." so in this poem, there's such sadness. actually, this is quite typical of many

they take the christian narrative, the capitalist narrative and throw it on the digital. right. the beauty of the digital it could break a spree from the industrial aged time is money, make everything faster, keep going paradigm. that was the beauty of the beginning. it was makers and slackers and weird doughs part of the original cyber movement. we will going get free. i'm going get to work whenever i want in my underpants. i beet to trade with people directly and not through corporation. i'm not going have to invest in the crap. we deal with a sustainable way to return to peer-to-peer marketplace. return to et sei. the bizarre. they took the digital revolution, they called it, and apply it to industrial-age value. the digital age became the calling card. instead of being new. we teach you how to make it the accelerant. the last gasp. another steroid l infection in the failing economy. what it lead to the sense of digital as something as information as something that has it's own mind. and human beings, right, we are just serving information on the evolutionary journey toward c

i think you can craft a narrative so that your political views are apparent to the reader. i think trying to obscure your political views is not necessarily the most ethical thing to do necessarily. so, yeah, it's a tough question. the case of the u.s.-mexico war presidents is a difficult figure to like. people did not like him in his own time. incredibly unpopular. really only success was a politician because his wife was very, very likable. a powerful political figure, but the two of them were extremely proslavery and what had discussions about it is god's will that slavery extend across the continent. so you believe that. he lied to made it everything he could to start a war against mexico, and then he pursued the war with a kind of attitude toward mexico that i think develop out of his own slate holding and that of the views of others level as of this class which was that people who are racially inferior and less powerful should necessarily band to the will of the racially superior more powerful people. so, again, this is an attitude that we are not necessarily comforta

i put in the criminal moscow had one narrative about what's going on in the world and washington the white house the congress have a different narrative and this extends all the way from the russian provinces of ships you know and i was stunned to the middle east the united states sees all this or most of this kind of rebellion and islamic areas as a kind of democratic insurgency washington thinks the arab spring is about democracy. britain and the russian leadership view this very differently partly because russia is also an islamic country with twenty nine eight million muslim citizens but the position in moscow has been beginning with the war in chechnya and now the anti terrorist operations in douglas stone is this isn't about the markers in these people aren't rebels they're terrorists so the narrative extends all the way from russia to the middle east because putin's view of the middle east is the same that the forces that have been unleashed in the middle east the act establishment forces aren't democratic they're they're extreme islamic forces and their example is more terror

they have a narrative and the other narrative is getting better. the israeli narrative in israel is being changed by israeli academics at the same time. >> rose: i don't want to put myself as part of any conversation here but i mean the palestinian has already been heard at this table time after time after time by you and many others. >> that's part of the change. that's part of the change. >> rose: you've been doing this for 20 years. >> i understand that. i'm not suggesting it's going to lead to sendly congress getting down on its knees. >> rose: nor am i. >> -a lot of these ridiculous laws they've been passing. the they are in a terrible place today partly of their own makings, their own divisions lack of strategy. >> rose: how about lack of leadership. >> two things have to be said. the leaderships that they have now by and large i think have failed their peoples. but secondly, their leadership has been the target of two quite serious campaigns one of assassinations or imprisonment or somewhere outside. there's a terrible lack in leadership and

the other buzz word a narrative. don't laugh president o's narrative is what made him -- president obana's narrative is what made him. i think one route forward for the republicans is either ethnic with rubio, generational ethnic or the other extreme is rand paul saying, you know what we want free markets and we want free values. chris: and with that comes the excitement of knowing you're going to lose. goldwater never said he was going to win. 26 million people voted for him and they were permanent recruits. >> they had real success when it's made strong intellectual arguments like goldwater or strong emotional arguments. chris: i used to like those guys. >> we're doing neither particularly well. so if rand can capture that intellectual strength and someone like rue yo can speak to that emotional threat, maybe together they can revitalize the party. chris: what about a modern republican? >> you talked about chris christie. but they talked about a north eastern middle of the road governor and it didn't work out so we

and it doesn't fit the narrative of the war on terror when we look at what happens in columbine or sandy hook or tucson you know and glenn greenwald of course wrote a great piece about this calling attention to these gross double standards i mentioned this last week on monday when i said you know right isn't people why is it that people don't seem to care or seem to get why doesn't the media give this kind of attention to the thirty people to die in iraq the public square bombing i mean this kind of stuff has been going on in afghanistan and iraq at the hands of the u.s. or were provoked by u.s. occupation for over a decade and it just doesn't govern the same headline so when it happens here we see that when it's the white white folks terrorizing others it's a criminal act it's an aberration they're crazy skitzo and cetera but when it's people that are darker skinned it may have some connections to other terror groups or jihadi groups or whatever the buzzword groups would be. if the media go goes ballistic when it gets rabid about this and they played up for ratings as you well know but

it doesn't fit the narrative of the war on terror when we look at what happens in columbine or sandy hook or tucson you know and glenn greenwald of course wrote a great piece about this calling attention to these groups double standards i mentioned this last week on monday when i said you know right isn't people why is it that people don't seem to care or seem to get why doesn't the media give this kind of attention to the thirty people to die in iraq the public. bombing i mean this kind of stuff has been going on in afghanistan and iraq at the hands of the us or were provoked by us occupation through over a decade and it just doesn't garner the same headline so when it happens here we see that when it's the white white folks terrorizing others it's a criminal act it's an aberration they're crazy skewed so it's cetera but when it's people that are darker skinned it may have some connections to other terror groups or jihadi groups or whatever the buzzword groups would be. if the media go goes ballistic when it gets rabid about this and they played up for ratings as you well know but t

those are the main points out of this narrative of charges. the initial appearance, this is the first stage. the charges did happen today in the hospital where tsarnaev is held. this is not unprecedented. it has been done in other similar cases. he is now formally charged. >> those are some remarkable details. thank you for that report. i want to turn to the executive dregor of the truman national security project. he served both in iraq and afghanistan. has a degree from yale and has clerked at the white house. thanks for being here. it looks like under the law based on what we know, the suspect cannot be charged as an enemy combatant and must be charged in federal court. why is that? >> that's correct, korgt to the best reading of the law. to be charged as an enemy combatant, you have to be in an armed conflict with the united states. and the bill that passed after 9/11 says that we're in an armed conflict against al qaeda and its associated groups. groups like the taliban, for example, that have a nexus or involvement in have any. there is

and it doesn't fit the narrative of the war on terror when we look at what happens in columbine or sandy hook or tucson. and glenn greenwald of course wrote a great piece about this calling attention to these gross double standards i mentioned this last week on monday when i said you know why it isn't people why is it that people don't seem to care or seem to get why doesn't the media give this kind of attention to the thirty people to die in iraq the public square bombing i mean this kind of stuff has been going on in afghanistan in iraq at the hands of the u.s. or were provoked by u.s. occupation through over a decade and it just doesn't govern the same headline so when it happens here we see that when it's the white white folks terrorizing others it's a criminal act it's an aberration they're crazy skewed so it cetera but when it's people that are darker skinned it may have some connections to other terror groups or jihadi groups or whatever the buzz word groups would be. if the media go goes ballistic when it gets rabid about this and they play it up for ratings as you well know but

for a long time which makes the story completely different it really does i mean the narrative that they tried to feed everyone from the get go was that he had they had recently come to be us. they were radical islamic jihad and as the story evolved in you learned well they came over here the suspect who's been charged with nine years old and then you get senator saying like senator grassley saying we need to be tougher on immigration what are you going to do ask a nine year old if they have a propensity for terrorism and the younger brother seemed kind of to be following the older brother if anyone was more radicalized like perhaps the older brother would you consider this a case of domestic terrorism because they've been living in the u.s. for a long time. i would in terms of oklahoma city bombing by timothy mcveigh was domestic terrorism but i don't think he was actually charged with anything like weapons of mass destruction even though he improvised filling a truck with fertilizer and create causing far more deaths by an order of magnitude compared to the three people that unfortunat

call it a narrative, call it the counterinsurgency narrative. and this narrative said counterinsurgency wars like the united states in vietnam or the war in iraq, america's second war in iraq, or the war in afghanistan can be won as long as the army and the military fights it correctly, and the way it fights it correctly is by bringing better savior-generals onboard to transform their armies and get them doing the process, the procedures and the tactics of counterinsurgency correctly. which brings us to iraq in 2006. and so after three bloody years of american occupation, people started to ask the same question again, what went wrong or what has gone wrong if iraq? in iraq? and the answer, very quickly, becomes bad tactics and bad generals. and the solution is get a savior-general onboard, and he soon arrives onto the scene, and his name was general david petraeus with the surge of troops who would turn his army around, get it doing the tactics of counterinsurgency correctly, and the war could be put on a path to success. now, what brought about

they did not at that time begin to entertain an alternative narrated -- narrative. acted in good faith during the 30 hours of interrogation of a 14-year-old saying, we just asked him what happened. it took apparently 30 hours to get the story straight out of their mouths onto a videotaped confession. when mother burst into the inteogio and refused to have a go on. d not maka ot at the other four did. -- buthe fr did. nt ime other place os sort of meanwhile, all hell is breaking loose in the united states of america. century.the ime of this is our worst and aces fears of "the other." these were both packs. these were wilder's that became wilder. it is a phrase made up by the police. they say how b morse list these 54. selessy say how remore se fier toocoerced confession of an african-american who died. his obituary is still in the new york times. the press said, wait a minute. he was exonerated. that led to miranda. because of the firestorm of led to theis moment death penalty being reinstated. donald trump took out full-page ads in every one of the daily pers saying

the reactionary forces defined the narrator -- narrative for the next 10 years. the following year, 2003, the five launched a civil suit against the city of new york. the city of new york has nearly $1 billion to pay for such suits. they are settled out of court more often than not. when they go to truck, things happen within a reasonable amount of time. --when they go to trial, things happen within a reasonable amount of time. things have not taken place yet after 10 years. the five and the families have requested mountains of material has been requested mountains of material, which they cannot possibly reduce.-- produce. this is, you know, first, the language in the press is the language of jim crow america and not the progressive america at the end of the 20th century. it has been reprehensible in the extreme. they subpoenaed all of our outtakes and notes, is seeking a phishing attempt of looking for inconsistencies. you told us you entered the park at 9:01 p.m. do you always lie? at least for the time being, they have fought back. they reviewed the city in it

the shower the north of a terrorist attack in this country of course that doesn't accompany the narrative of fear driving all this stuff going on in a part of jordie of f.b.i. or i'm sorry of terrorist plots last decade what would have been concocted by the large majority i mean this is. terror. this undercurrent of islamophobia well it's important that a lot of studies have been done that showing that in the last decade or two decades the bad over ninety percent of domestic terrorist plots have been foiled here in the united states committed by white domestic terrorists and so you know when we hear narratives about you know islamic terrorism being you know the threat of our time you know it's one of the threats there are a lot of threats out there you know we a few years ago there was a forty year old white american tea party member named joe stack lewis single engine plane into an i.r.s. building in austin texas now if it was a brown dude who had flown his plane is. in the country would have shut down every federal building in the country and we would have called it what it is an act of

campaign. >> so how do you build that counter narrative?here are those individuals that you can point to? i guess some you would have pointed to, you know, those who are campaigning for democracy in egypt to overthrow mubarak, although certainly we have seen that not work out as many of them had wanted. >> well, we've had two huge opportunities that we've missed. one of them as you rightly mentioned were the arab uprisings and specifically with tunisia and egypt. and the second was the shooting of malala at point-blank range by the taliban in pakistan. those two opportunities could have been indeed exploited to turn the tables on the extremists and to point in the case of malala, their sheer and utter brutality in targeting a child by shooting her in the head just because she wanted an education. and in egypt's case, we could have successfully rebranded democratic activism as being a viable alternative to radical islamism in the middle east. the reason we missed both those opportunities is because there's one missing element in both of thos

unfortunately, we haven't been doing much encountering the narrative, and we're seeing the narrative spreading around, especially on the internet. and i think this is -- this is one of the things that we have to focus on. >> in the way that we treat them in terms of responding to the attack shapes our side of that narrative. >> absolutely. >> ali soufan, author of "the black banners: the inside story of the war on terrorism inside al qaeda." ali, it's great to have you back. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. great to be here. >> all right. we've got much more ahead on boston and on other matters. please stay with us. oh this is soft. this is so so soft. hey hun, remember you only need a few sheets. hmph! [ female announcer ] charmin ultra soft is so soft you'll have to remind your family they can use less. ♪ charmin ultra soft is made with extra cushions that are soft and more absorbent. plus you can use four times less. hope you saved some for me. mhmm! you and the kids. we all go. why not enjoy the go with charmin ultra soft. you may be muddling through allergies. try

unfortunately, we haven't been doing much encountering the narrative, and we're seeing the narrative spreading around, especially on the internet. and i think this is -- this is one of the things that we have to focus on. >> in the way that we treat them in terms of responding to the attack shapes our side of that narrative. >> absolutely. >> ali suofan, author of "the black banners: the inside story of the war on terrorism inside al qaeda." ali, it's great to have you back. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. great to be here. >> all right. we've got much more ahead on boston and on other matters. please stay with us. [ kate ] many women may not be absorbing the calcium they take as well as they could because they don't take it with food. switch to citracal maximum plus d. it's the only calcium supplement that can be taken with or without food. my doctor recommends citracal maximum. it's all about absorption. you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec-d®. powerful relief of nasal congestion and other allergy symptoms -- all in one pill. zyrtec-d®. at the pharmacy

unfortunately, we haven't been doing much encountering the narrative, and we're seeing the narrative spreading around, especially on the internet. and i think this is -- this is one of the things that we have to focus on. >> in the way that we treat them in terms of responding to the attack shapes our side of that narrative. >> absolutely. >> ali soufan, author of "the black banners: the inside story of the war on terrorism inside al qaeda." ali, it's great to have you back. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. great to be here. >> all right. we've got much more ahead on boston and on other matters. please stay with us. ayman al zawahiri. ] can a body wash go beyond basic cleansing? olay ultra moisture body wash can with more moisturizers than seven bottles of the leading body wash. with ultra moisture your body wash is anything but basic soft, smooth skin with olay. [ sneezing ] she may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec®. powerful allergy relief for adults and kids six years and older. zyrtec®. love the air. >>> file this under something to keep an eye on as law e

word but again whenever it fits this narrative that that really again underscores underlies the u.s. global hegemony and the wars in the middle east and the sieber rattling particularly against iran unilateral support of israel against palestine i mean you know these are the kind of narratives that people feed off and this is the kind of thing that keeps the military industrial complex budget bloated in keane's you just militarist fashion and. again you know the paramilitary zation that we've seen going on post nine eleven this is written large in boston right and we see people president obama saying that well we we don't want to see these were we we don't want to see this kind of war this war machinery in the streets and you know we can't tolerate this kind of militarization in the streets here he's doing it here domestically he talks about another country should never tolerate it and yet here we are being pavlo in pavlovian fashion groomed to deal with it here right obama saying obama saying we will not be terrorized who's doing the terrorising enough. yes the bombings are horrifie

that he quote dark skinned male was arrested even though this turned out to be false achieve the narrative that it was those other guys doing it and it's not a problem that you know white america has as well yes absolutely and putting the preconceived notion out there kind of the preconditioning almost kind of aids that that perception and a lot of people don't follow up and see if that was later retracted or or they don't know who these people were in the media of course is so quick to criticize obama this is really strange i mean for not a hastily declaring it to be an act of terrorism i mean as if that's really means anything considering how meaningless the word has become in a post nine eleven world which according to dan him not jumping on within minutes of the boston bombings either makes it a muslim holiday or muslim himself i mean what kind of damage is this extreme rhetoric from many talking heads in the media due to just the conversation that we need to be having in this country right now well you know most people are aware that we are currently or have two wars in muslim nations

systematically removing from the narrative the pictures of. caricom tractors in boston essentially relegating anyone who asks those questions to the dustbin and this of course raises the most important question of all what exactly is being hidden from the pub. eric draitser they just giving us a his analysis i do a political analyst talking to us i live from new york. a summary of what we know in the boston manhunt of so far a u.s. national security official has confirmed the names of the bombing suspect as twenty six year old the tomlinson i have and nineteen year old. the men are believed to be brothers who spent time in russia's north caucasus region before their family moved to the united states in two thousand and two that is the intense a manhunt continues in a watertown massachusetts where the surviving suspect the elder brother was showed earlier today during a standoff with the police and f.b.i. agents and members of the national guard are involved in the large scale manhunt along with hundreds of police officers doing going door to d

that equaled dark skinned male was arrested even though this turned out to be false achieve the narrative that it was those other guys doing it and it's and. the problem that you know white america has as well yes absolutely and putting that kind of pretty notion out there kind of the preconditioning almost kind of aids that that perception and a lot of people don't follow up and see if that was later retracted or or they don't know who these people were in the media of course is so quick to criticize obama on this is really strange to me for not a hastily declaring it to be an act of terrorism i mean as if that's really means anything considering how meaningless the word has become in a post nine eleven world which according to den him not jumping on within minutes of the boston bombings either makes him a muslim apologist or muslim himself i mean what kind of damage is this extreme rhetoric from of many talking heads in the media due to just the conversation that we need to be having in this country right now well you know most people are aware that we are currently or have fought two w

that he quote dark skinned male was arrested even though this turned out to be false achieve the narrative that it was those other guys doing it and it's not a problem that you know white america has as well. yes absolutely and putting that kind of the preconceived notion out there kind of the preconditioning almost kind of aids that that perception and a lot of people don't follow up and see if that was later retracted or or they don't know who these people were in the media of course is so quick to criticize obama on this is really strange to me for not a hastily declaring it to be an act of terrorism i mean as if that's really means anything considering how meaningless the word has become in a post nine eleven world according to then him not jumping on within minutes of the boston bombings either makes him a muslim apologist or muslim himself i mean what kind of damage is this extreme rhetoric from many talking heads in the media due to just the conversation that we need to be having in this country right now well you know most people are aware that we are currently or have two wars in

here in the united states were committed by white domestic terrorists and so you know when we hear narratives about you know islamic terrorism being you know the sort of existential threat of our time you know it's one of the threats there are a lot of threats out there you know we a few years ago there was a forty year old white american tea party member named joe stack who flew a single engine plane into an i.r.s. building in austin texas now if it was a brown dude who had flown his plane into an iris building in austin texas we would have shut down every building in the country we would have shut down every federal building in the country and we would have called it what it is an act of terrorism but because a right wing nut named joe stack. did something it's not an act of terrorism and so this double standard in terms of the term terrorism needs to be called out. of course they just said oh he's mentally ill is mentally unstable he's not a terrorist we didn't see the least militarized paramilitary troops in the senate because only white people get mental illness and of course of course a

it looks an is a narrative to key into the bay area. all of the areas have similar underlying values and if that narrative is built into building it could become quite powerful. it's also a series of dots and there is a great range in how one might render the building to start to the developed. let me pass down the materials and colors we are looking at. so the first piece that you see here is clear anodized aluminum in the pen rows pattern. that is an 18 inch square. the panel itself is roughly the size of two of those boards. so that panel is '116 of the whole panel exterior wall. there are no curves in these panels but the way the panels are motion to dismiss motion -- the panel will be '3'18 inch square. the panel itself is roughly the size of two of those boards. so that panel is '116 of the whole panel exterior wall. there are no curves in these panels but the way the panels are -- the panel will be '316 of an inch thick. it will be a very controllable surface, very beautiful surface. what is interesting about this idea is that th

that kind of narrative has not been the dominating narrative. >> it is crucial that we do anything we can to take away everything that has been poisonous, poisoning the waters, so we can have a conversation about latinos and what we represent for the country, not only in terms of what we have done, but also embracing the fact that we are a net gain for the country. >> i am a student at chicago state university. the common population here is african-american. , latino students students, how the difficulty merging in with the culture of our campus. i have not found that to be a challenge at all. i have been openly embraced, i have had doors opened, without a sense of judgment of to ibm, what my background is, where my family came from. >> it is an exciting time in the country, the point where we are today coming on the heels of the last presidential election, community was recognized as an important player in the country. someone who has to be reckoned with and has to be accounted for as we project into the future what this country will be, what america will be. in our experiences, we h

this is where we try to reset the and narrative -- reset the narrative, the idea that america is. . it is not broke. our priorities are broken. there is a misplaced obsession with debt and deficits as the national emergency of our time. that has driven the story line inside the beltway. we did a story on how the austerity cost rules washington. it is a portrait of think tanks, philanthropists and others who have framed in a way so it is hard to tell an alternative story. that has shifted a little because of new voices and forces emerging from the 99% or what ever you want to call it. >> you had better have twitter and facebook involved in the project. >> we do, absolutely. we have all kinds of new media. i agree you need to use all of that. it has been a very powerful force. we use all of that at "the nation. " we have a correspondent right about this in a politically. at occupy wall street in new york a few miles from our office, one thing that struck our correspondent was how many young people came to the square and were caught up in conversations, talking to people and the genera

hope needs a story, a narrative. here is what is going on in this country. president obama now is speaking more forcefully about what he wants to do it and against smoking out those who are obstructing. this is really wonky. anyway, i think one of the most exciting things are the movements of our times. i closed this book out before occupy. i wrote about wisconsin. our correspondent was there for 57 days. that was about occupying the state house. occupy has become a brand. it has also become e ncampments. soon it will need to be more than a space and a place. it will need to go to state houses, occupy banks, occupy congress. take the movement energy into those stairs -- spheres with the ideas matter of the heart of occupy. >> winter is coming. cities like san francisco and oakland and other cities are closing down the encampments and chasing people off. you can drive 90 miles from davis and pepper spray. it is hard to maintain people's attention for long periods of time. i am wondering -- should they be occupying the supreme court? [applause] >> i was talkin

campaign. >> so how do you build that counter narrative? where are those individuals that you can point to? i guess some you would have pointed to, you know, those who are campaigning for democracy in egypt to overthrow mubarak, although certainly we have seen that not work out as many of them had wanted. [ sneezes ] [ male announcer ] you may be an allergy muddler. try zyrtec®. it gives you powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because zyrtec® starts working at hour 1 on the first day you take it. claritin® doesn't start working until hour 3. [ sneezes ] [ male announcer ] zyrtec®. love the air. [ female announcer ] this week only, save up to $13 on zyrtec® products. see sunday's newspaper. with the innovating and the transforming and the revolutionizing. it's enough to make you forget that you're flying five hundred miles an hour on a chair that just became a bed. you see, we're doing some changing of our own. ah, we can talk about it later. we're putting the wonder back into air travel, one innovation at a time

campaign. >> so how do you build that counter narrative? where are those individuals that you can point to? i guess some you would have pointed to, you know, those who are campaigning for democracy in egypt to overthrow mubarak, although certainly we have seen that not work out as many of them had wanted. >> well, we've had two huge miny looking at long-term health benefits for men over 50. the one they used in that study... centrum silver. that's what i take. my doctor! he knows his stuff. [ male announcer ] centrum. the most recommended. most preferred. most studied. centrum, always your most complete. most studied. and do you know your... blooa or b positive?? have you eaten today? i had some lebanese food for lunch. i love the lebanese. i... i'm not sure. enough of the formalities... lets get started shall we? jimmy how happy are folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico? happier than dracula volunteering at a blood drive. we have cookies... get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. >>> it

they took the second narrative of a conspiracy. in the oswald case, a case which i happen to leave it or not 50 years ago this november and i wrote my thesis at college on it 48 years ago so i was deeply immersed in it, they have the same thing. the crime scene and also show that osborne did. his palm print was on it and the sniper's bullets, one of them ballistically match the gun and the bullet shells match, everything match but then of course the question is well, even if he did it first of all did he really do it? if he did do it was he doing it as someone else? here was a man who had defected to the soviet union and just two months beforehand was in this cuban secret service in mexico city. so again you have to make a choice of which narrative you want. but i would add something to what you said. i think in a sense we have tabloid journalism that always wants a story that is the most exciting story. and they continue with that story. i think prosecutors have to have prosecutions too. they also want a story that continues along

where a collect of work needs to be done right now is countering that narrative, that mutant toxic formre is something that happens with young men who is susceptible and self motivates and self recruits to that kind of ideology, internet, a lot of different sources for that thing. there is a very important period though from right here in thinking about it to where it guess to a constructive step. so, that is where much more effort needs to be done in countering thenaritive of that toxic violent death and destruction mesh of al qaeda. neil: that goes beyond a legal issue. >> absolutely, we have to assume there are terrorist cells in u.s., some with foreign connects some self motivated sympathizers of al qaeda ideology, we have to address the narrative, get people not to be influenced by that and stay on top of them with our intelligence, and law enforcement apparatus, i agree since 9/11 there has been -- we are light years ahead of where we were before in terms of our ability to stay on top of people, and resources to counterterrorism. and but with all that, we still have to remember, t

and if i follow people i feel like i'm in realtime narrative at that absolute moment. it's not perfect. i still get the daily paper and it's partly because all day long stuff is whizzing by and it's great. i can catch up on the news at starbucks and what's bouncing at that instance. the next day i always go, what was that? >> what happened? >> what happened? and so with the times or the wall street jonal, they're deciding on the hierarchy of these are the six or seven most important stories. >> we say are the most important. >> are they this probably not. but i'm willing to say okay? you guys have decided what's important. and in that sense i think when you come from magazines you know what you're doing is giving people, putting a frame around events that adds meaning to it. and i do think that daily paper has moved more and more add its best toward helping you make sense of this constant always on. when i first got to the "new york times" i would watch them choose those six or seven stories. i would go to the page one meeting. again, not consulted, just sitting there.

, the dominant popular cultural narrative that shape how many, perhaps, many, most americans think about the party, you run into a barrage of misinformation and misinterpretation, and it's imperative that we understand that, and as josh was sort of laying out, sort of the official vilification, the official denigration, and how that then folds into the history and popular culture, so in popular understanding, for example, among a lot of people, the black panther party with its ultra black radicalism and its gun toting thug rights movement, and i get this from my mother whom i love, right, so i know it is out there, killed off the beloved community of the civil rights movement. put another way, the black panther party epitomized the bad black 60s as the distinct from the good black 60 #s when black people were nonviolent, civil diso bead yents, knocked in the head, committed to integration and civil racialism, the view of the civil rights movement and the black freedom struggle in general, which is totally off base; right? the the bad 60s led not only to the unraveling of america, but the