. >> this narrative about what it is to become a man. >> and a bay area filmmaker talks about her next movie. >> oh, stunned. it's very raw. it hits you. that's what our boys are being told. >> here's jessica aguirre. >> that new documentary really pulls no punches. hello. welcome to this class action special. we begin tonight with growing concern over the privacy of your child's personal information. did you now that many bay area school districts sign contracts with third party companies with that educational technology? information about your child in the hands of someone else. so is that safe? one bay area dad is at the forefront of a movement to keep students' private information private. >> my first reaction was like, wow, i can't believe they're not protecting us. >> he is a concerned dad, but he's also a software engineer. he took a good look at educational technology companies used by schools and was alarmed about the amount of information collected about kids. his, yours, mine. >> names, e-mails, photos. it doesn't strip the geo location from the profile photo. so if that hap

i would hear bits and snippets but i have never been able to frame a meaningful narrative out of it. my mother spoke of it again in snippets to me again but without me understanding and my father just didn't want to talk about it. it was just like oh, people don't want to hear such stories. not now. when i was an adult and went back to him after a long estrangement, it was okay, he just didn't want to tell me about it as a kid. after a three page underground story of "maus," before it became the book. i showed him what i was working on and that started a conversation. >> what was important about the narrative, what was important about the message from "maus"? >> it's not about a message. sorry i don't -- messages are efficient, you can put them in an e-mail. what i was trying to think about as an incredibly self centered human is how did i get on this earth when both my parents were supposed to be dead? plunge back into the mis mists of time. not as ubiquity a -- ubiquitous as it was sense. in the genera of the '70s, '72, '70, the word that had been used was genocide, it was invented

the narrative that i will second identify closure put forward here is a very strong narrative comingut of russia today on a whole host of outlets on the fairest tunnels in russia. i've been watching all of russia cable television resilient is a very, very striking narrative. we have to be careful about repeating that back again. let me just say the same kinds of extremist groups that we've seen operating in ukraine are here in the united states, ma i hear all the way across europe and also most worryingly for mr. putin, in russia itself. couldn't write from the beginning of his presence in back to 1990, 2000 has been concerned about extremists of all stripes including russian nationalist extremes. he said that expose of the. one of the reasons he pursued the war in chechnya to a very bitter end and one with a stone ongoing insurgency was to put down extremism as he said it. and he is dead and multiple speeches over and over again that he is opposed to extremism of any form. he is playing to the nationalistic extremist outcome in russia because very worried about them. is extremely wo

. >> our boys have said this sort of narrative about what it is to become a man. >> and bay area filmmakerlks about her next movie. >> i was stunned because it's very raw. it hits you. >> here's nbc bay area's jessica aguirre. >> that now documentary coming from jennifer newsom later this year really pulled no punches. we'll give you a sneak peek later in the show. hello and welcome to this class action special. i'm jessica aguirre. >> we begin with growing concern over your child's personal data at school. parents have been hammering for things like technology in the classroom, things like computer, software. did you know bay area districts companies for that educational technology? information about your child in the hands of someone else? is that safe? one bay area dad is at the forefront of a movement to keep students' private information private. >> my first reaction was, like, wow! i can't believe they're not protecting this. >> donny porterfield is a concerned dad, but he's also a software engineer. he took a good look at educational technology companies used by schools and was alar

by counter narratives.t's not that we have to write novels for that but to raise forces within haiti, from the haitian american experience, and also from the narrative itself, the way people are living, these types of situations have to change, because often our stories are written, and when i mean written i don't mean just told, but they are decided by the outside. the cubs haiti has this history for which it's been punished of a great revolution, of great visionaries in our past, i think we are always looking towards that next step where a group of people will come and change that narrative. half the population of haiti is under 25, so i have great hope that at some point there will be a change in narrative but also this change in course. tavis: let me move from fiction to nonfiction, from the book "claire of the sea light" to what is happening in real time in haiti. as the relationship changed much ?t all in the era of obama >> i think in this time we are living in now, pretty much i think haiti was dele

all this good news on obamacare proves this guy right here -- he just can't wait to find a narrativeback up all the votes that he has taken in the house. he needs something to talk about, because the numbers aren't on his side. just remember one thing, folks. every day that goes by, and every story that unfolds around obamacare, puts the republicans and this guy on the wrong side of history, and the numbers show it. these numbers aren't going to go backwards. outside spending in this election down in florida was like this. outside political spending, $5 million by jolly. all negative ads on obamacare. why do you think they did that? because boehner needs something to back up these votes. he needs a test, he needs to be able to say something out there in front of the people that, oh, yeah, we're right. outside spending 3.75 million. which side would you rather have outside money on that? here's the bottom line again for the democrats, and i don't think it was a perfect campaign. she is a very qualified democ t democrat. no question about it. she'd make a great congressional member. bu

that is my narrative.i'm not asking them to come and sign this narrative than that the wall of my hometown became something. i believe this story. don't ask me to change my narrative. recognizesk me to israel as a jewish state, they are asking me to change my narrative. now it is jewish land. i was intruding on this land. that's another case, not my story. and howng to interfere israel defines itself in its books, constitution, and so on? i don't know if there are any israelis in this room. what does her nationality say on your past port? i do not think christians,, muslims. i think it says israel he. right?-- i think it says israeli. it defines nationality as israeli. say jewish, me to muslim, christian? sometimes, we say, what can we create for saeb erekat to say no to and smear him? that's what they do to me. the second story they come to me that theme constituents are security and we must stay there for how many years. you have a border with jordan, for god's sake thomas south and north of jerico, 510

doing the kinetic coercion with yanukovych doesn't really payings they do thing, this the narrative is a this is a western conspiracy and try to mobilize the nationalist sentiment using those type of narratives. that political dissidents are terrorists whether using violence or not. they don't distinguish if they're threatening our political system, they must be terrorists. they tend to try to divide and rule the opposition and with fears of sectarian tensions. they tend to counter mobilize their own groups of people they see as supporters even if they pay them, they bring their own people out into the streets and they will do the street fighting. the fifth thing with modern technology it is much easier to engauge in surveillance. that undermined any of the technological advantages that social media gave to activisms. >> you're saying that your theory even works on the oppressor side of the divide? even authoritarians are doing better with non-violent methods? >> well i think the most authoritarians will use these types of methods to try to divide and rule the opposition. once they get

most teachers are quite comfortable with the narrative. this is review for some of you and it builds to informative planning and argumentation writing and employing the skills around research in both elementary and middle school and high school. we recognize it's not a writing again era but we revisit that building spiral that is necessary for research. again, we stress the importance of building the community because this implementation is also factors in capacity building at the site and that we have the opportunity to give a certain amount of input and teachers at the site give a lot of learners and in the shift of what we are being asked to do. the common store state standards list several demanding high level shifts. so when we talk about what's different from what we have been doing is around the balancing informational and literary text so it's literacy in each of the content areas as well as looking deeply at complex texts and learning how to read closely across the grade levels and what that mean for how we read at each of the gra

this plays very well at home if the narrative holds. but if it falls apart it has question arose of territorial acquisitions but in that historic state also the jennet empire east of the river in the 1860's and then it over three japan there were disputes that could backfire for putin over the long term but we should be right careful right now. >> as fiona hill just reminded us is over the past 20 years a unique system. and i am wondering for what they're losing is since they always had the view that it is say nationalist country, will this invasion or a potential loss of crimea change that system moving forward? will they be able to unite east and west? >> a big question here will turn on how competent or effective is this government? is unable to be inclusive? they did not get off to a good start with the cabinet of ministers there's no one to say the eastern ukrainian it is unfortunate. they did offered cabinet positions that the president yanukovich old party and they turned the job down. that could be a smart political calculation

and not taking control of the narrative. you watch what they do -- >> well, my -- >> what about -- >> okay. go ahead. >> i'm just saying, mike, and ed, i wouldn't worry about the narrative because, you know, the fat lady hasn't taken the stage yet, right? this thing's going on for a while. paul fishman, the u.s. attorney in new jersey, is a very, very experienced and good prosecutor. and so he has a lot of -- >> i think what mike is talking about is the arena of public opinion. >> it doesn't matter. i mean, because, you know, the wheels of justice can grind slowly but they do grind. and so, you know, whether he has a good day or a bad day in the media, you know, in march of 2014 isn't really significant. what's important is what are these investigations going to show at the end of 2014 going into, you know, the new election season. i don't think it's going to be good news for chris christie. >> okay. so the state investigators, they're going to take a heck of a lot longer. we don't know when they're going to be done with the

why try to control the narrative?he journalists are there trying to make sure that neither side gets the upper hand in the public opinion. why so much hostility to those who would be deemed in any other situation to be neutral? >> i don't think anyone can look at the conflicts that have gone on around the world and presume that journalists or foreign diplomats are going to be neutral, and as the one comment -- both sides are going to try to spin this. >> but let me simply point out the mission of journalism is to report both sides of a conflict, of a situation, of a crisis, so whether or not everybody does that, no single journalistic institution has control over that, but the mission word wide is they would try to get to the bottom of a situation. >> you are talking about blocking the journalists from talking to the envoy, i would agree with you. and, again, i can't explain or justify the behavior of the people on the scene there. but if you are asking me if one should accept that mission statement which i fully agre

it has become the default narrative in this culture. it is the narrative of hollywood and academia.roops out, the real story of america, the great narrative -- the truth out, the real story of america, the great narrative, we don't stand a chance. america, for all its faults, and there are many, is still the greatest country in the history of the world. [laughter] [applause] america is great, not because our people are better than other people, because we are not. america is great because we know that everything we have is a gift from god that we don't deserve and that god has given it to us for the sake of others. [applause] so, when our president says something like you didn't build that, understand that in that wrongheaded statement, there is nonetheless a kernel of truth. we need to be confident enough to acknowledge that kernel of truth. because of course, the crucial difference between the whole truth and the kernel of truth is not that the government helped us build whatever we build, but others. the founders, the people who died for our liberty. god who gave us this country

i came at a at it from that brodeur narrative. it is not the only way to right history by any means it is just my way. >> host: with informing your perspective what would you recommend everyone reading that is truly provocative and memorable? >> guest: i can focus on the civil-rights but if you are interested in this narrative history was more expansive works there is a three volume history from taylor branch. those are stories the subtitle is america in the king years. it is a much broader story and he does so wonderful job of painting of a broad sweep of human history to the civil-rights movement. for academic historians say appreciate branch's work but also try to move pushed the movement in different directions. so one is charles payne and one is called detmer. that was civil-rights in mississippi. when you tell that story king is not the main story so the highlights of a longer tradition dating back to the 30's to talk about the aspect of grass-roots and how that changes with the local people. and the other book is from charl

the counter narrative. aka the cover story.o bill stepien who'd been chris christie's campaign manager tells bill baroni great job about his cover story, and bill baroni celebrates having sold the counter narrative. also disclosed today are e-mails that show bill stepien, then in the midst of running chris christie's re-election campaign being made aware of the infamous traffic problems in fort lee and fort lee's mayor being upset about it. the same week that the traffic problems were happening. contemporaneous to the lane closures bill stepien was in on it. chris christie's campaign manager was being made aware of the situation. these new texts are part of the latest court filings for a superior court judge in new jersey to consider whether or not bill stepien and bridget kelly have to comply with the committee's subpoena or whether they can still refuse to hand over documents to the legislature. a ruling is expected on that matter at the end of this month but almost daily new revelations in the story are expected to continue

if you create a national narrative kit be damaging. if 2006 waits very bad.d a corruption narrative. >> thank you. >> you bet. >> coming up, there is new interest in reports the mittsing plane had contact with another jetliner after it's last conversation with air traffic control. stubd. ♪ ♪ ♪ geico motorcycle. see how much you could save. entenma . >>> an interesting story developing after president obama had his first audience with pope francis, a tale of two meetings with two very different versioninversions of what the two leaders discussed. president obama emerged saying the discussion was largely focused on income equality. while the readout does not mention it at all, saying instead it was on life and freedom issues. and former gop senator, also a devout roman catholic. good to see you. >> thank you. >> our own white house correspondent, ed henry, talked about it was like they were not in the same meeting. >> i don't think the vatican has political aspirations. the pope is not running for anything and doesn't have any elections he is worried about. you

i would hear bits and snippets but i have never been able to frame a meaningful narrative out of it. my mother spoke of it again in snippets to me again but without me understanding and my father just didn't want to talk about it. it was just like oh, people don't want to hear such stories. not now. when i was an adult and went back to him after a long estrangement, it was okay, he just didn't want to tell me about it as a kid. after a three page underground story of "maus," before it became the book. i showed him what i was working on and that started a conversation. >> what was important about the narrative, what was important about the message from "maus"? >> it's not about a message. sorry i don't -- messages are efficient, you can put them in an e-mail. what i was trying to think about as an incredibly self centered human is how did i get on this earth when both my parents were supposed to be dead? plunge back into the mis mists of time. not as ubiquity a -- ubiquitous as it was sense. in the genera of the '70s, '72, '70, the word that had been used was genocide, it was invented

and i think the -- there were notices of it in the times describing the narrative as a weird-like narrative creeping horror, reading it as a creeping hour are. -- horror. but i think it went quickly into obscurity like much of his other writings until the 1920s. >> and when you went with about reconstructing this, i mean, you saw you sort of came across and this was sort of mind-blowing footnote first, but you went all over the map that this story covers, and you were finding -- what i find kind of amazing is how intensively documented all of this is. that all the cap talk abouts were, like, writing correspondence describing the plight of the terrible l conditions of the slaves, the crude calculations of turning slaves into commodities and protecting slaves and trading them off and figuring out -- all of that's on paper and preserved. >> yeah. >> and how were you able to reconstruct this exact shipment on its unbelievable odyssey across the ocean and then up over the mountains of the andes? >> well, doing this kind of archival research is, you know, when your trying to reconstruct an event,

the counter narrative. aka the cover story.d been chris christie's campaign manager tells bill baroni great job about his cover story, and bill baroni celebrates having sold the counter narrative. also disclosed today are e-mails that show bill stepien, then in the midst of running chris christie's re-election campaign being made aware of the infamous traffic problems in fort lee and fort lee's mayor being upset about it. the same week that the traffic problems were happening. a ruling is expected on that matter at the end of this month but almost daily new revelations in the story are expected to continue in the meantime. watch this space. we'll keep you posted. that does it for tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow night. now it's time for "the last word." >>> tonight, vice president biden heads to poland for talks about the continuing crisis in ukraine. obamacare passes an undeniable numerical milestone and we are learning even more about the last communication from flight 370 even as the plane's final

. >> these people don't quite fit the gop narrative, michelle, i suppose. >> they don't fit the narrative. but they are exactly what opponents of the bill have been concerned about. when senator ted cruz would talk about how people, once this went into effect, people would get addicted to it and they would get hooked on it. and the more people that get signed up, the harder it is to do anything to roll it back. this is why there was such a push before the implementation to kill it. because once a lot of people get signed up and start benefitting from it, it becomes that much harder to do anything about it. >> but here is where the insensitivity comes in, congresswoman. here is what bothers me. we understand political parties. we understand partisan feelings. we understand different feelings in terms of ideologues. but shouldn't all of us in the public arena put a separation between when we really want to see healthy people do better and when we want to score political points? i mean, at what point do we really stop being what we claim we're out here for? we can disagree on how to better s

this is a propagandist and purposes that is to cement the narrative. russia is aggressively acting in crimea rather than rush of protecting its own strategic interests in cultural interest in allowing the people of crimea to determine their own future now the question since this was secretary kerry says the us is taking much as legitimate concerns of this he said into consideration what concerns is he talking about. well in theory he's talking about russia's military concerns the basis of the scope of the black sea fleet on russia's economic concerns in terms of either gas delivery infrastructure in terms of a russian investment in terms of the ukrainian export market all of these things are the legitimate interests of russia but when he says that he's being disingenuous because rather than taking these concerns into account washington has done everything in their power to undermine precisely those interested russia has. this is part of the geopolitical agenda part of the nato expansion agenda is to undermine russia's interests undermine russia's abili

. >> which is no small feat in uganda because the antigay narrative is reinforced at societal levels,n schools, universities, churches and rallies. debating the subject can put journalists at odds with powerful people. >> politicians, former catholic priest and the the ethics lobby - they get ample air time. >> there is an instance where a lesbian was being interviewed on one of our tvs. >> why are you gay? >> people stormed into the studio illustrating how lesbians make love and go about their relationships. you would see that - not that piece, to try to control. >> this is an evil. >> they come with respect in society. people of authority. they play significant roles in shaping the attitudes of home on homosexuality. >> the senior editor - that's when the pastor, at a rally, had two young journalists cover the rally. so he marched into the office, held me hostage for two hours and forced a debate about promoting homosexuality and, you know, people covering the story. we know them. they are lesbians. if you are a young journalist, you may need to think again whether you go back, to b

cynics of the narrative has been established in by the media that it is a hate crime. why was there or why is there a reluctance among the media to break away from a narrative once it is established? the drug rumors surfaced within i think probably a few days. there was plenty of downtime for the reporters to go out and flush those rumors out between the court proceedings, if they only look into it. the only reporter that looked into it seriously was joann that wrote a long piece for the harper's magazine. harpers magazine. and that piece was published before the trial. but again, she was really hampered by the witnesses and court records. but i will say that joann -- when i began to look into these areas she was extremely generous and went back to some of her reporting notes indicate me some leads i was able to person. one for example was with ryan bob a fellow that is a friend of aaron that traded at 357 magnum that became the murder weapon. he is someone i was able to track down and he acknowledged to me he had been getting high on methamphetamine with aaron for day

they kind of make sure that the narrative is delivered. in one way or another. >> right.l, liz, i appreciate you speaking on the program tonight. thank you very much. i know it's probably been a surreal and a fast moving day for you. i appreciate your time. as jill mentioned, her former colleague abby martin also spoke out on the air, she is on piers morgan live at the top of the hour. so hope you tune in for that, as well. just ahead tonight, where do crimea and ukraine fit into vladamir putin's long-term vision of russia? we'll take a look at that ahead. of making an unbeatable truck... ... good things happen. this is the ram 1500. the 2014 motor trend truck of the year and first ever back-to-back champion. guts. glory. ram. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants, and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™. or how ornate the halls are. tall the building is, [ bottle ] ensure®. it doesn't matter if there are granite statues, or

the important thing is to remember the narrative.rained as human beings to look at the overall pattern. and fiction and interesting movies and television series like "lost" supply these narratives. this narrative of a plane disappearing in a remote part of the earth is an intriguing one, it's one that is among many of us, it's well-known and involving. >> and what i hear you saying is that our interest and fascination in it is largely driven by, a, the fact that we are social beings, b, in our minds we need a sense of order, we need a sense of explanation, we need to know that it's not a mystery but there's some plausible explanation for that which has transpired. >> that's the root of it. i think all of -- well, all of the media attention, in part, what we're doing right now adds to it a bit. at least it makes it available for people who are sort of hooked on this puzzle solving to gone and think about it more and more. i have to add that this muzzle has not been solved. as i keep thinking about this mystery, it's still at the heart

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because we have video of the same thing and that is the circulating narrative. >> yeah, you know, theem is that the troops in peninsula are of course the troops which are deployed by russian authorities according to agreement with ukraine. by the way according to agreement, russia has a right to deploy 25,000 troops over there. now russia has a little more than 10,000. by the way, almost 6,000 ukrainian forces now pledge their loyalty to crimea government, and crimea prime minister declared himself as commander in chief and he is going to establish a ministry of defense for crimea -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> i would like to ask you a question if you would stop talking for a moment. do you feel there are signs that russia is ready to start a war over crimea? >> of course not. because there is no war with whom? haven't you heard today one ukrainian deputy gave interview and said mobilization? it's a joke. nothing is moving. nothing is flying. we don't have anything -- >> this is not true. >> i would like you to weigh in on this. >> first of all there were confirmed redeployment of ru

there's a common narrative about pope gregly lxx who is famous in the so-called investty tour controversies where kings were trying to select their own bishops, and the pope quite rightly said, no, the church selects wish shops. kings don't select bishops. i think this generated a certain kind of conflict that is maybe regrettable. what pope gregory did, for example, was to say that, well, kings really have no status or practically no status. he gave kings the status of below deacons, kings have very low status in the church and wouldn't have any power to do anything, let alone appoint bishops. and this kind of demotion of the place of the king i income mid e -- i think in medieval culture was probably perpetuated tensions between temporal and spiritual power that is regrettable. but i think it was right for popes to protect the freedom of the church to appoint their own bishops. we're seeing that now in america in and the question whether the church is free do what it thinks as right. for example, the recent stay of -- for the little sisters of the poor against the state mandating that the

. >> that particular instance, it is full of narratives and stories and songs about moses.particular song is an israeli folk song about moses hitting a rock in the water. and likewise, the african-american -- there is many songs about moses as well. a song in which moses and the israelites are afloat. i combine both songs so it was this continuous narrative about moses and the israelites and about water. and by doing that, i am telling one story from two different sources simultaneously. that is kind of this piece convergence. >> and for you, how do you explain the power of music to transcend culture, with a particular culture, and create that kind of empathy of one culture to another, which seems to be part of what you are doing with this particular piece. and i'm just wondering, in the backdrop for you as an artist, how you think about articulating those things, in the way that you did. >> music, and i would say especially jewish music and african-american music, have the proportions of an emotional time machine. when you hear it, you are taken to a particular emotional m

he will save the regime but he went town to defeat it had to switch the narrative.he narrative now is to detect our compatriots from nonexistent threats to their lives or harassment or anything of that kind. yes as in sudetenland, as naked germans in what used to be czechoslovakia, there was the pretext hitler used to seize that part of czechoslovakia. we ares now saying protecting ethnic russians against all kinds of indignities by ethnic ukrainians. >> what should the west do for ukraine? what heavy weapon is in the arsenal to show moscow's actions cannot and will not be tolerated? the actions announced today by president obama, whose attention putin has finally gotten, that the good stuff. it's a good step. -- he fellch fell when individual sanctions were put in place and they started jumping ship. he will have to test his elites, but he ought to know their devotion to him may not be stronger than their devotion to their accounts in swiss banks or their wife's shopping trips to london come in new york and paris. the elites inned our last 30 seconds. they are not

i think what has impact it feeds in a broader narrative that people don't trust the government and thectory is less and less trust every year and you know, this it preceded president obama and continued on his watch. and this feeds in the narrative that the people don't feel the government is accountable or trustworthy and adds to a narrative that exists and hurts the party in power. >> in her infamous apology that was a deceptive set up on may 10th. lois lerner said it is just rogue line people in cincinnati. documents now prove otherwise, that coast to coast officers were sending outlers to conservative groups and in fact, the chief counsel's office in washington d.c. was involved in this. does that undermine the president's claim that there is not a smidgeon of corruption. >> of course it does. i may not be a lawyer like you. but first of all she takes us to a broader context of the dpft. that exists. here we are talking about the irs and it was used by the obama administration to target tea party groups and evafrjelical groups and unfortunately the store tore is now the argument th

and i think that is the big challenge for those of us who are supporters is to get the narrative outabout the positive things that's happened. hospital acquired infections. we started a partnership for patients in 2010 that was going to bring down hospital acquired infections. it's been remarkable. central line infections down 50%. hardly ever spoken of. the total number of hospital acquired conditions, infections, fall, bad surgery, down 9%. hardly ever spoken of. that makes going to the hospital safer for everyone whether you have insurance or you're just getting insurance through the affordable care act. those are the kinds of stories i think that need to be put out there. another one, because of cost control, the premiums in medicare part a, part b and part d have remained essentially flat for several years now. saving seniors a lot of money. again, not widely known, but i think it is part of what the affordable care act has done for the american health care system. and i think we're going to have to fashion these messages to come out much more consistently those of us who are ad

. >> in that particular instance, jow issue cosmology is full of narratives and stories and songs about moses. that particular song is an israeli folk song about moses hitting a rock and water springing out from the torah. and likewise, in the african-american cosmology are there are a many of stories about most. there is this very famous song in which moses and the israelites are evokeed. so i combined both songs so it was this continuous narrative about moses, about the israelites, and about water. and by doing that, i'm kind of telling one story from two different sources, simultaneously. and that's kind of the space i'm traversing in this piece convergence. >> and for you, how do you explain the power of music to transcend culture, illuminate a it particular culture and create it that kind of em pawity of one culture to the other which seems it to be part of what you are doing with this particular piece. i'm just wondering in the backdrop for you as an are theist how you think about articulating those things in the way that you did. >> well, music, and i would say especially jewish

the narrative is very important, and if there is a narrative of pessimism, a narrative of abuse, a narrative that we are not in good stewardship, that affects our message. -- our mission. madeidentify with remarks by our chairman. that not nearly as eloquently as senator graham did. ok, senator graham is recognized. >> thank you. detainees. the standppreciate you took against the 65 detainees being released by president karzai. we have a resolution in congress condemning that action. would it be helpful for us as congress to send a signal that we object what president karzai did? >> i do, and i would like to thank you for what you have been doing to ensure we set a clear message. >> and to let that economic aid will be cut off if they continue this. could you send the committee a report on the status of the -- 435 something to do. thank you for the hard work out there. report on the status of detainees, give the committee some indication of the problems we face between now and july with detainees, so we can make informed decisions -- can you help us do that? >> absolutely. >> this is an ideo

on one level it clearly triggers a racial narrative in his audience and a narrative about inner cityblacks as the real problem in our country. and on the other hand, it allos plausible deniability because he can say i didn't think about race whatsoever. that's cold calculation that he can win vote by triggering racial animosity in society. >> to that point, it such a powerful and potent point. it was striking to me this week that everybody went so quickly to -- is he a race ist or he's t a racist. ian is right, that's not the point. we lose the point by oversimplification of what these dog whistles really are. someone raised the fact that he's been going around to neighborhoods to try to learn from and learn more about these issues and he did that poverty report. again, i think his audience was a set of voters that he's trying to capture, not necessarily -- i would call it probably the swing voters, not necessarily the black community. >> karen, one has to understand that you just simply can't drive the black community and understand it in its entirety. but here's the thing as you we

latino story into thethe main narrative. >> sure. that's a great question, and something we are going back and forth, i think we -- different discussions that we have. >> a complex story, but it goes -- back generations and generations. and just like the african-american story, the native american story, the asian pacific narrative story, they all are part of the american experience. 59 times it is too complex and too big to fell, and to have one museum charge with that, is daunting. and i think what we aspired to do is we are -- i think showing that our contributions our part of that american experience, through the latino lenes. and i think anything that we do is set in again in that context of trying to center the margin. and trying to bring our experience back into the main stream. so i think anything we do, any programs we offer, any honors that we devil out is done with that spirit, of we have been contributing to this country since the beginning. but it takes often times more than one -- just one museum to tell that very compl

do you think uranians have lost out on this narrative? can they control their own destiny?r are they being used as a pawn now? >> first of all, everybody must know that there is no united ukrain. ukrain is two different nations, two different countries, and because of very [ inaudible ] policy of [ inaudible ] this country survived until recently. but i always warn, and i have many, many publications and for 20 years, i am inside the russian politics, dealing with uranian policy, dined with many leaders, and i know practically everyone in politics. in 2005 in my article in february, victory of you shenco in ukrain is the greatest victory of russia. because if westerners outlawing russian language, russians -- everything concerns russia, having confrontational policy against russia, they are pulling the trigger and practically destroying their own country, and they achieved this goal in mie dan because all of these people starting to -- looking this armament effort in western ukrain, civil power billings in western -- >> can i please jump in? >> let's let olli jump in, and w

the first time i read the script, i saw it, in a way, as this incredible story, this incredible narrativethink we see solomon -- i saw the story of a man who goes through this experience. it was really later on, reading the book as well, the autobiography, that i realized it is a story about him, about this specific arson going through these moments. i think it was trying to get as close to him as possible that was the revelation about the story, about his own personality. the choices he made are unique to him after that journey. those are the reasons he was able to survive. it ended up with me feeling he was a very special man. i think his book is a reflection of that as well. his attitude to the world, his attitude to himself. >> is there an evolution in his character while he is held? does he change? >> i think he starts off as a man who believes he is in a battle for his freedom. but he comes to realize that he is in a battle for his mind. that is the point of change for solomon. that is the point of understanding what the environment can do to him. and i think that is the sort of psy