big narrative. you understand that god has sided with slaves, and we are slaves that god has sided with. here is how that works. one book can be read or justified in two different directions. two different groups can use it to make sense of the world that they inhabit. the reason that the election argument will be -- the deduction argument will be important is because we will to turn to the letter to the galatians, and i will spend some time talking about how one specific verse will become important for the abolition movement. remember, i told you this from the beginning of class, especially in the american south, if you want to win the argument using the bible you have to be able to read it, but also line up your proof texts. if i have more text talking about getting rid of slavery who wins the argument? i do. in galatians chapter three verses 27-38. i will read all of it. i want you to follow along, and then i will talk more about galatians broadly. "as many of you were baptized into christ, there

more importantly, why was the slave owner -- would they not see the exit is narrative -- exodus narrative applying to the slaves within their midst? they can see the text. they can clearly understand, how come they cannot see it from the view of the slaves? here's the part where i'm going to have you talk a little bit, or i hope you're going to talk a little bit -- why is it that the slave owner cannot see the text in the same way that the slave does? >> would it be because in exodus, the slaves are all white, and the slaves are all black? professor thompson: ok. hold on to that for a minute. >> it could very well be denial. simply because if that was the , case, then a lot of the things they had been doing to the slaves would weigh heavily on their conscience, which could very well do a lot of things. in terms of social issues. professor thompson: ok, good denial. abby? abby: could it be because they do not see slavery as the same way as in the bible? with the hebrews, it was oppression of another religion versus oppression of a race? and so it is no longer about , oppression, but they a

, because this narrative has been a narrative throughout this country's history.hroughout this country's history, from the bacon rebellion to the eman pags proclamation. through jim crow and the civil rights movement. this has been the same narrative. and it doesn't it doesn't work. >> if i went in a time machine and talked to dannym!í glover in 1967, about what's going on in 2015, do you think he would be heartened or depressed when i reported back? >> i would be both. i would be disappointed that we hadn't gone further than we had, you know? and i'm saying, from 1967 we're talking about nearly 50 years. i would be disappointed we haven't gone further than we have. and secondly i would have been encouraged by how the movement in its way transformed itself metastasized into something else. that it begins to -- and maybe we begin to answer those questions. what i felt as a young 20-year-old kid in 1967 and feeling that coming out as a child of the civil rights movement, just on the preface or the involvement in the black power movement i felt a sense of empowerment

mark: the only way he can erase the dominant narrative of presidential family is with a compelling narrative that bill clinton had, that barack obama had. his most compelling narrative is his state and how his state infuses public policy ideas. this speech is going to be a lot about his christian faith and what role he thinks it plays in the world. watch to see the level of performance they wanted to show his heart. john: we will beat another exit. -- we will read another excerpt. " in works hardly noticed in popular culture, young christians are showing the way not by pity for what is, but by a vision of what could be. you set the standard with your believe that everybody matters and everybody has the right to rise. " that links his slogan to a deeply conservative christian message. a lot of don't think jeb bush's conservative. it's as something mike huckabee could add to his speech. mark: in iowa, in south carolina jeb bush needs to show people not just that he is conservative and his user informed by faith, but that he has a personal narrative that they will find compelling. his conversio

you did not to play that up in your narrative of american history. by the way, the people who argue for american exceptionalism, the new conservative position, was originally the liberal consensus position of the 1950's. the liberals constructed this notion that america was always different and always different from europe and always different from other societies. i actually believe america was always different from other societies and that we basically had two traditions that live together. we had a tradition that is not compatible with a modern liberal society. the south was not liberal by any stretch of the imagination. it was a slaveholder society. it was not founded on any notion of equality. it was founded on notions on ? ? race, on class. it is part of capitalism, no doubt, but to my mind, it's not the same. when you start looking at the north and start seeing that there is an occupying force, but they start off on a liberal path, and they even go further there is american exceptionalism, but it's only part of the country. when you start bein

facts don't govern, narratives govern. this is about the story we tell, the conflict over control of the narrative has taken precedence over an if you will evidence based, rational implementation of policy. when you throw race into the mix, it just gets tough. i can give many examples not only about family and family structure, of course moynihan was write. he was right in 1965 about the condition of the african-american family and how it was changing right about the implication that ron haskins mentioned to the effect that the consequence of this social transformation amongst african-americans would make embrace of newly opened opportunities more difficult. he was right to the extent he insinuated that this was a matter not only of the african-american social landscape but a matter of importance to the nation as a whole. of course he was right about that. those who had the hunch moynihan was not really a social scientist, but he was very effective policy intellectual with things to say and he had a hunch. those that had t

the media gins up a false narrative, oh it's another news story. if they find another story of a cop acting badly they hold on to that as justification that their earlier false reporting was somehow okay. >> there were few apologies, no soul searching byes media for having pushed this having become a national narrative based on a false premise and here's the further problem. you know we all descend when there are riots and when the riots are over we move on to the next crisis. we don't cover as you've been covering lately in baltimore weekend after weekend in urban areas where police are trying to stem the tide of rising violence sometimes against kids because we've become inured to that. it's not news unless there's something spectacular about it. all that adding up to a picture where every police force in the country is populated by a lot of bad apples and the police side of the story in many instances is not told and sometimes when they're acquitted that's not as big a story as the original charge. >> howie, good to see you. >> my pleasure. >>>

there is still this narrative that somehow we are done. general, what i wanted to ask you first of all, this narrative, which is a false one do you think it has inhibited our ability to develop a robust strategy? do we need other forces on the ground? and yet, we are competing with the narrative from the house that says, no, no, we are done. and that would be a limiting factor to developing a strategy that ultimately would do what we want it to do which is protect america's national security interests? general keane: when i look at it and try to speculate about what is driving some of our decisions , what is driving our narrative, one of the things i have observed since i have been closer to it in recent years than when i was when i was a younger officer is that most administrations, democratic or republican, have a tendency to overreact of what took place in the previous administration. and this one is no exception to that. making it a principle of the administration to a guarantor that we will not be involved in any military activity in

black people are shamed into the narrative.n a black person commits a crime or an alleged crime. what does that mean? >> we are called to the news to talk about... >> we are called to the news. >> don't troll me. we are called to the news. >> you are not making sense, i'm trying to understand what you say, it sounds like gobble di goop. >> let me see if i can make it plain. we are called to the news to make a narrative about how black families are in distressed. and they call you and you say black people don't have fathers, that's why black men are killing. studies show 70% of black children come from unmarried household, more than 59% of black fathers who don't life in the household spend more time per week with their children than white fathers that live in the household. and 59% of fathers who don't live in the household spend time. 39% of white fathers spend time with the children. that's a study. >> larry, i want to ask you a question. >> an absentee father is a social thing. >> tell president obama if he doesn't know... >

this speaks loudly to her character and also her acquiescence with what became the obama narrative. >lieve you are right. the challenge is that any time you're dealing with national security and foreign policy there are times when leaders may not be truthful because they are trying to protect lives and they are trying to protect american national security there's something sensitive going on. but none of that applies in this case. this fabrication and this lie that this was not a terrorist attack when they knew what it was it is totally about covering politically and has nothing to do with protecting assets are protecting intelligence sources, and i think that that is a huge problem. as i pointed out in the book when it comes to donations, they said that they were going to disclose that they did not disclose, you know the polls have shown that the american people do not view this as trustworthy and honest in this adds to this narrative and this is not something that you reversed by just issuing some kind of sound bites or giving a nice speech, it goes to the heart of how people percei

it is a pretty powerful narrative. we don't really have a great counter-narrative, not because we're not doing our job, but because it's really hard to have a counter-narrative in a conversation about a religion where we have absolutely no credibility. right? so, we really need the leaders of muslim countries, we need leading muslim clerics, we need muslim teachers to have this dialogue in those countries themselves. after this takes place, one of the things i think president cc has done exceptionally well is to raise this issue -- president sisi has done exceptionally well is to actually raise this as an issue in his society and start to have a conversation. that is where it has to take place. keith hill: before i open the floor for questions, i know mr. morell has mentioned this several times, but his book is "the great war of our time." now i'd to open the floor up for questions. yes? would you please give us your name and your affiliation. >> there's a growing skepticism about whether the united states is serious a

, and the narrative plays out, and then negatives work.n politics, people say they hate negative ads. guess what, if they did not work, nobody would use them ever. they work, trust me. the biggest problem in my view was the gender gap. the democrats have a gender gap, too, called e-mail gender gap, but women vote more than men and the female gap with republican candidates is there and very stark terms. i think as something to do with abortion, but less than it used to, quite frankly. it has to do i think with some of the messaging from the party as well. if you are a young woman with kids and you don't have an education, you are trying to make your way, do you want to hear talking about independence and entrepreneurship and freedom, or do you want to hear the democrats talking about, hey, we are there for you and we will help you, we will have a social welfare state to help you? part of it is the messaging from the parties. i think we can do a better job at it. with regards to minorities particularly the hispanic vote look at the new deal

their narrative is powerful. their narrative is that the west , the u.s., the modern world, is a significant threat to their religion. they have an answer to that threat to their religion which is the establishment of this caliphate. they are being attacked as they try to establish this caliphate by the u.s. and other western nations and by these apostate regimes in the region. because they are being attacked as they try to sell up this -- set up this caliphate, they need support. they need support in two ways, people coming to fight for them and people coming to stand up and attack coalition nations in their home. pretty powerfulit's a pretty powerful narrative. we don't really have a great counter narrative. not because we are not doing our job, but because it's really hard to have a counter narrative in a conversation about a religion where we have absolutely no credibility. we really need the leaders of muslim countries, we need leading muslim clerics, we need muslim teachers to have this dialogue in those co

his most compelling narrative is his faith and how that infuses all of his public policy ideas.his speech is going to be a lot about his christian faith and what role he thinks it place in the -- place in the world -- plays in the world. watch to see the level of performance. they want him to show his heart. let's see if he can do it tomorrow. john: let me read another excerpt for you. to show auto how he's going into cultural warrior mode. so many young christians today are showing the way. not moved out by what is but by a vision what have can be. for all who would serve the poor and the homeless, you set the standard with your belief that everybody matters and everyone has the right to rise. you just mentioned, linking up his slogan to a deeply kind of christian conservative message. a lot of conservatives in the party don't think he's a conservative. he thank could be something mike huckabee could have in his speech. mark: in new hampshire these themes are not necessarily as big a deal, although they are for some voters. certainly in iowa and south carolina. jeb bush needs t

the problem you have with that is once a false narrative or any narrative takes hold in ferguson like't shoot. the narrative has already taken hold and you can't get rid of it greta back to you. >> that's the whole thing. what these leaders don't get and whether it's leaders of the police department or the mayor or whatever, transparency really matters and that people can understand when mistakes are made or if things were done incorrectly. what they can't get is when they don't get that information if is withheld when it is promised. narratives created. fiction fills a vacuum. situation gets so much worse and so much painful. >> i think that's exactly what we see happening here. and that's what we saw happen before. and now you have got all these people out here demanding justice and they don't know all of the facts. they want their justice as you just heard them as i justice for freddie gray. they don't have all of the answers or available information. you get this feeling that somehow the man has taken charge. they don't have control so they do something like this take control of t

narrative is wrong. there are different perceptions of the same events. and the fact that we're not talking to each other about them as much as we should be doing, in some ways we're talking less than during soviet times i think is a real detriment and increases the bad policy frankly. so maybe one small effort that i would suggest is that i think it would be interesting to exercise exercise, to do a scenario like this that included russians, europeans and americans, but on mixed teams. and i think we would learn a lot from each other about how we see different phenomena through a different lens, but how that different lens may not necessarily be right or wrong, but we need to understand really to i think make better policy towards each other. so thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and wisdom with us today and thank you all for coming. >> the cia deputy director discusses u.s. intelligence surveillance programs, and isis. hillary clinton campaigns in iowa. later, a conversation with lindsey gra

and the narrative that they are bringing in is one that the people of ramadi will understand and makesr more likely to graveitate in the hands of isis faced with the choice. >> that's what they are faced. these are healthy families that are living in the area and don't have one side or the other. shiit militia coming from baghdad and sunni terrorist. and they are sunni. and at a certain point they will have to choose for the safety of their families. and this article over the weekend talk about with holding back with the air strikes and a fear of casulties. and they are densely populared and it was a populared series as well. and they are arguing if we don't take the risk more people are going to die at the hands of the terrorist? what are you hearing as far as the additional air strikes being used? >> i just don't think the administration really has the basic level of understanding of military strategy or a desire to hear about it. they are advertising the fact they are not launching air strikes and isil and shiite militia see it. and this is all about a extensional structure and unle

of individuals, narratives of activists or more polemics about transgender rights. we would want people to learn primarily that there are different priorities with the trans portion of the movement. we'd want people to understand that there are significant social science questions that can be explored by studying in this movement. and that this movement is important for the historic development of civil rights in the united states. >> for more information on booktv's recent visit to topeka, kansas, and the many other cities visited by our local content vehicles, go to c-span.org/localcontempt. local content. >> and booktv is on location at princeton university in princeton, new jersey, where we're interviewing professors who are also authors. we want to introduce you to patricia fernandez measure kelly who has written "the hero's fights." professor fernandez-kelly, tell us about west baltimore. >> guest: so west baltimore is one of the places that in my estimation is most important in our nation's current moment, but it's an area that surprisingly has received very

they want to stay on their narrative. big government.bama bashes police because he wants federal law enforcement reform. he wants the federal government -- >> maybe to federalize it. >> state and local. he's all about big brother. that's the problem. that's what we're seeing. he's fighting the same narrative we saw from johnson, and kennedy, when they did the war on poverty. the government is not the solution. >> let me go to tom. he hasn't spoken yet. in case you don't know that's a cute couple, they are married. you have traveled the country a lot. >> yeah. >> i'm friends with both of you. you've seen some ugliness. because your wife is a black conservative. you've experienced the ugliness. she wrote a book about the ugliness. she said in the beginning of her book a lot of ugly things come up. >> absolutely. but that's the way you win by going into the communities. we went to the naacp meeting last year where there was a woman screaming in dannine's face. but they forgot the question why is this happening. what is the root cause. is an

it is a narrative that he wants to advance we hear about it. why doesn't he use the power of the presidency for that? >> that's what i keep my fingers crossed every time i speak on this issue as he stumbles out of the gate. here's an opportunity here. he's a role model for young people and young blan black mern men across america. what he should do is to remind people of lifestyle choices. it's the behavior of many of these young black men in urban ghettos that cause most of the problems that they endure. it is self inflicted. i think they would listen more coming from him than somebody else. i think it is a missed opportunity. a swing and miss. when you look at everything through the lens of race you will find boogieman lurking around every corner. when i listened to michelle obama, first lady of the united states with all due respect, i couldn't tell if she was talking about 2015 or 1815. >> powerful statement from both of you. good to see you both. >>> up next on this special edition of "hannity." >> when will we have a language to talk abou

of the great depression that i described to you before so recall that narrative. entirely correctable flaws of collective decision-making have been responsible for the inability of contemporaries in the 1920s to see their crisis coming in for their failure to respond to it adequately in the 1930s. modern-day policymakers have learned from that experience. scientific central banking informed by a rigorous framework that would call inflation targeting preventive now the development of serious imbalances. advances in supervision and regulation prevented financial excesses. deposit insurance had put put in place of the united states and subsequently in other countries precisely in response to the bank panics and runs by retail depositors that caused wave after wave of bank failures in the 1930s. conventional wisdom about the great depression that was caused by entirely avoidable policy failures was itself conducive to the believe that those failures could need and indeed have been corrected and it followed from that believed that no comparable crisis was possible now.

part of that is voice of course and narrative coherence. but a good part of it must be archival spade work. when it comes to world war ii and archive rat like me can look large. the u.s. army records alone for the second world war with 17,000 tons. like all great events in american history world war ii is bottomless. there are wonderful things still to discover. so for example i found that the national archives in college park about 15 miles from here, a document that revealed thinking about, how are you going to get onto the beaches at the normandie if you know the beaches are going to be heavily defended. how are you going to get ashore by air, by parachute or bake later. someone or posed how about taking a time out under the english channel? and so there was a study done at the officers who reported back to the handset can do this. it will take 15,000 miners a year to excavate 50,000 tons of spoil but we can do that. but they couldn't finance, what they could never forget out is when the first minor popped out an entire german seventh ar

and it made enough -- an obvious narrative thing to have the lusitania and submarine converging. in the course of researching this came across all this interesting information about zweiger elm wanted him to be this classic villain. i wanted him -- i would love a mon -- mon monacle and a scar. i got this nice guy. handsome, beloved by the crew, well-liked in the service and one of his friend, fellow submarine commander said he couldn't hurt a flow. this is after the war. so just -- >> i've opened the book to this room 40 cadence and this is -- is this the positioning -- the report on the positioning. >> one of the remarkable things about the story as i started getting into reading -- i got to say i came to the lusitania reluctantly. i had nothing else on my plate. but i had this maritime tick, and i was just interested in the lusitania, and i don't know. i started reading about and it started getting more -- and then did my first exploratory archival trip and that cemented it. but one of the things that surprised me was the role of this super secret operation within thed a admira

it's a pretty powerful narrative. we don't really have a great counter narrative.not because we are not doing our job but because it's really hard to have a counter narrative in a conversation about a religion where we have absolutely no credibility. so we really need that leaders of muslim countries. we need leading muslim clerics, we need muslim teachers to have this dialogue in those countries themselves. that's where it has to take place. one of the things that i think president sisi has been exceptional is actually raised this issue in his society. he tried to have a conversation with his own people about this. that's where it has to take place. >> before we open the floor to questions, i do think it sometimes but his book is "the great war of our time: an insider's account of the cia's fight against al-qa'ida." i would like to open the floor up to questions. yes, please give us your name and your affiliation. [inaudible] based in beirut, lebanon. bears growing skepticism about whether united states is a series about fighting terrorism in the region isis or is

the police narrative. >> is it true? i don't know if it was true with mike brown. i don't know if it was true with rickia boyd. maybe we differ on what truth means. >> but maybe you're talking about anecdotes as opposed to statistics. are you saying the majority of police statements in the u.s. are not true public statements press releases, et cetera? >> what i'm saying is the police are killing people and they're saying it's justified in every case in a way that it just isn't. this is a conversation about state violence. so when i think about walter scott, the police gave an account that was untrue and we would not have known unless there was a video. >> right. that was very clear-cut. >> and i would say there are many other case. freddie gray's another one. the way the police mobilized to respond to his death was really different until we got a video. so we challenge the police narratives because we have reason to challenge, because we've been lied to. >> it sounds like you see a double standard of sorts on race. i want to see if you agree with that sentiment. be

narrative is wrong. there are different perceptions of the same events. and the fact that we're not talking to each other about them as much as we should be doing, in some ways we're talking less than during soviet times i think is a real detriment and increases the bad policy, frankly. so maybe one small effort that i would suggest is that i think it would be interesting to exercise exercise, to do a scenario like this that included russians, europeans and americans, but on mixed teams. and i think we would learn a lot from each other about how we see different phenomena through a different lens, but how that different lens may not necessarily be right or wrong, but we need to understand really to i think make better policy towards each other. so thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and wisdom with us today and thank you all for coming. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] captioning performed by the national captioning

>> the narrative that al qaeda was on the run and al qaeda was disseminated.he interesting thing about this and it makes a lot of sense. when you take the lid off and get rid of dictators. no democratic parties or little d democratic institutions are extremists and that's what happened. i guess the question is what would the united states have done differently? how could they have managed the arab spring differently? certainly we wouldn't have come in and tried to hang on with every dictator with the skin of our teeth. >> but by turning the back on mubarak at fast as perhaps the u.s. did not only changed the dynamic there but changed the relationship arguably lot of gulf nations. >> right. i would say that the whole -- othe arab spring has been a tragedy pretty much for the united states interests in the region and what it led to. i think our problem is not that we didn't predict correctly it was hard to predict, there was no way you would know that in tunisia it might succeed but not elsewhere. the real problem is what we did when it became clear that the ara

police are going to use the narrative because it works.so a question for the media as well. do you simply take that at face value? do you take the officer's story at face value? because up to now, the vast majority of grand juries the vast majority of juries simply do and that's been enough. so that has meant that families of people who have been killed by police are left with nothing that they can call closure, let alone what they would consider to be justice. so i think that we need to as a country take a step back and ask ourselves whether we have given through our statutes way too much latitude for police to feel comfortable that that narrative is going to work. that there's not going to be accountability. because to be honest with you, the only thing that changes behaviors of institutions is the sense that there's going to be accountability. what changes political behavior is the fear of losing an election. i think in the case of police what would change the overall behavior and attitude toward communities is the sense that there coul

and that becomes an entire narrative, right? that gets worked up. >> he kept talking, but maybe fox stopped listening because it dialed its outrage meter up to 10. >> it's extraordinary that the president of the united states in his waning years, has decided that his policies for the last six years aren't to blame. it's some little cable outfit that's causing the problems in america. >> look i think the president is spinning the failure of his own policies. and i think he is blaming us and i think we are an honest messenger. >> did you catch what steve said there? it's funny how fox brags about how popular it is except when it's convenient to act small. for the blue news in the story, we have to turn not to msnbc but to jon stewart whose staff went searching all throughout fox's archive for evidence that obama was right. now, "the daily show" obviously takes cheap shots sometimes, but take a look at these clips they pulled together. >> we have conditioned people to look to the government to be their answer for every problem they

[laughter] chris, did the president speak the truth or does he said narrative? >> there is such a thing to paint the incomplete picture to cause people to reach the correct answer and in this case the president did that. letterman was fishing but yes slavery is the original sin of this republic. that is true but when we look across the spectrum where are the poorest people in america? in the sticks. not in baltimore. wire they pour out there? indian reservations is a part of it. apple asia? in the south. there are 1 million reasons for the socio-economic problems jim-crow and slavery is also but there are other factors so don't -- those of matter as much as solutions. lou: but the president or his administration will offer any solutions and money has been spent to the point this president who is african-american talking about race when he ignored apparently advisedly that the entire city government of baltimore is african-american they run the city council, the mayor, the police commissioner, go through the line. if that was about race and racism then explain it

no stories; the narrative is over. the ultimate is within sight though beyond the pilgrim's grasp. pilgrim, all things are mind. there is nothing to practice, nothing to prove nothing to gai nothing to lose. all is dream all is illusion. ( woman singing ) what powers lie in the hands of invisible gods? wayang, the play of shadows, is a distant survival of ancestor worship, the old faith of theslands. behind a linen screen, an unseen puppetmaster tells stories of heroes and kings. the figures are at once hidden and revealed. it is a kind of invocation controlled by the ritual magic of music a language. the spirit world appears in a benign and even pleasure-giving form. om where he stood, the son of the wind god sathe temple rise from the plain gleaming like crystal. its walls were adorned with trees and magic animals. great lions, monkeys, deer and the frail the kinnara, half-human, half-bird. rhytic tapping ) if borudor is a labyrinth, the ramayana reliefs at the hindu temple of prambanan are a ki of thter: ( various actors speaking ) the tales of the monkey king! lord garuda says

>> the narrative that al qaeda was on the run and al qaeda was disseminated.about this and it makes a lot of sense. when you take the lid off and get rid of dictators. no democratic parties or little d democratic institutions are extremists and that's what happened. i guess the question is what would the united states have done differently? how could they have managed the arab spring differently? certainly we wouldn't have come in and tried to hang on with every dictator with the skin of our teeth. >> but by turning the back on mubarak at fast as perhaps the u.s. did not only changed the dynamic there but changed the relationship arguably in a lot of gulf nations. >> right. i would say that the whole -- othe arab spring has been a tragedy pretty much for the united states interests in the region and what it led to. i think our problem is not that we didn't predict correctly it was hard to predict, there was no way you would know that in tunisia it might succeed but not elsewhere. the real problem is what we did when it became clear that the arab spring had fai

into a 30 second narrative or 60 second narrative, we'd have a hell of a time doing it because of that complexity. if there's something to either of them -- and i'm not saying there is -- it would not resinate. >> republicans are trying to build a character case against her. that's what the e-mails and foundation are about. they're not finding a smoking gun per se. a strategist said they're finding a lot of led they can put together and form into a narrative. character questions have dogged the clintons since their white house days. mrs. clinton campaigned for r senate in 2000 the question was all about character. that's what the carpet bagger issue was about. you saw this come up again in 2007 in the form of iraq war vote among other things. she's been in the public eye for so long it's not clear it will take hold. the bigger question is how there takes hold with younger voters. >>> one interesting story from this past week is the party along with debate sponsors including this network are struggling to come to terms with how to fit candidates on the same stage. who benefits? who lose

this life after death thing we created a narrative of death. you have mothers -- when their sons kill people and in the process die. they celebrate them because there's this belief that was developed over years that if you die, you're going to be rewarded in heaven and that reward is clearly spelled out. we need to get rid of that. we need for muslims to say, especially american muslims, western muslims to distance themselves from that narrative of death. >> let's talk about you and your story. trace walked us through it what happened to you. from the mutilation all the way through to the murder of theo van gogh with a knife in his chest calling for your murder. and, you know to this day your life is threatened and in jeopardy because you have spoken out. how do you do it ayaan? under such threat 24/7? >> yeah. >> when we see that it's not like these terrorists are standing down. i mean we see these murders just in texas the attempted murder for just drawing muhammad never mind saying what you say. how do you do it? >> it's exhausting but it's

, it's clinton narrative in the media. a lot of folks say there's plenty of criticism in the media and lots of questions have been raised. are you trying to change the narrative and if so to what? >> no. my focus has been over the last five years on crony capital inch and that is what i see this as a story. this is not about ideology. this is about a family the clintons who have become enormously wealthy in the post-presidential years, and i would argue and i think the evidence is clear a lot of it has to do with the fact that former president bill clinton's wife had very real power and could do favors for people that needed it done at the state department. that's a serious area of inquiry. this goes to the heart of crony capitalism self enrichment. >> i want to ask you this question who is funding you and who is funding your foundation? >> yes. and some of that has been out in the media. we have a variety of donors. they are politically conservative. they're not all republicans, and they all don't have a consensus about a