which is the factual narrative in the scientific narratives. we will have more time to talk about that and other issues. >> i'm gonna do for to senator murphy again and i express my gratitude for his leadership on this and look forward to hearing his line of question. >> thank you very much. thank you to you for this hearing and thank you ms. gabriel for what is been great leadership and i congratulate you with a fairly skimpy budget having extended the reach of the gec substantially during your time. we have been complaining forever about the fact we are fighting asymmetric wars all over the world, predominantly with russia, that's where you hear the term used the most but would china as well. and asymmetry is a choice, it's not inevitability, we made a choice over the years to not equip our forces and our foreign-policy infrastructure overseas with the capacity they need to compete. in the gec and attempt to fill a vacuum on our side of the ledger with respect to the ability to fight in combat disinformation. and yet, the reach of the gec is

, which is the factual narrative and the scientifically basede tk narrative. we thank you for that. abwe will talk more about that ando other issues. senator booker >> i'm going to defer to senator murphy again and express my gratitude fore his leadershipfo on this i am forward to hearing his thi line of. questioning >> thank you very greatsenator booker thank you to you and senator booker for convening this hearing thank you miss gabriel i congratulate youe skimpy budget having extended the reach we hof the e see substantially during your time. been complaining world, pre forever about the fact that we are predominantly with russia, that is where you hear that cho term used the most, with china as well. it is a choice not an inevitability, we have made a choice over the years to not aov quider our forces, our foreign forces with the capacity they need to compete cuumand the gec is an attempt to fill what for too long had been a vacuum, on our side, of the ledger witht respect to theio ability to figt and combat disinformation the reach of the gec is frankly m

so we have been watching the narratives that are being pushed out, false narratives around coronavirus. unfortunately, we have been able to assess that accounts tied to russia, the entire ecosystem of russian disinformation, has been engaged in the midst of this world health crisis. one of the best practices in countering propaganda and disinformation is exposing it. so decreasing the vulnerabilities in audiences that are targeted and increasing their resiliency requires exposing examples of disinformation. this is an example where the gec works with public diplomacy and public affairs at the state department so we can get the word out and we actually engaged with a media organization to share some analysis that we had on what we were seeing in terms of coronavirus. we saw the entire ecosystem of russian disinformation at play. russian state proxy websites, official state media, as well as swarms of online false personas pushing out false narratives. exposing it by working with the media has built awareness around this issue that there's a lot of disinformation, and right now, i hope t

i like those narratives.simon and that is connected to maine with anti- memoir they are both ways of thinking about relationally like the personal relation is to everything around it. historical events have deeper roots and often we see it first glance. i will open it up in a minute or two because i know there so many questions from you guys in the audience. i'm going to ask one or two more, i wrote a book about your book because i've so many questions about it. i could keep you here all night, but i know there's going to be some thoughtful questions from everybody else. i will ask one more before i turn it over. it's kindue of going back to some of the ways, among other things this book it's a document of being young and not knowing everything that lies ahead. which is one of the conditions of youth. he described one point, losing a job as a waitress in an italian restaurant because you are not maybe there were few different regions but one is you are struggling with uncorking the wine bottles, you say that

it into your narrative perfectly? >> i'm trying to find a line where i mention it but rifling through the book quickly, it is very interesting. there you go. i have it. so there is a technical reason. the technical reason, when you write a book driven by narrative, it is really like writing fiction where you have to keep the reader engaged and if you have too many side notes and detours it is hard to keep your reader engaged and hanging on. that is why you couldn't turn it down. i will take that to the bank. i felt terrible i couldn't write more about yemen, another strain on our collective conscience, humanity that we could let this happen. i felt terrible that i only had one chapter on syria but there was a narrative, not an agenda, don't get me wrong. there wasn't a specific story that i wanted to save by ignoring other parts of the story but i was looking at the trend lines across 40 years and trying to pinpoint key moments, cultural or religious or social and pin them down in a specific country where they had hap

i'm not an academic but this is more than a reported narrative. i didn't only rely on my interviews with people in these countries. we dug deep intoou the archives with my research assistant we looked at old footage. we read articles, academic articles written at the time. because it's very interesting to see how perspectives change with time when you look back at academic articles written immediately after the iraniv revolution or they seized in mecca to see the assessment at the time and read about it now. when you put it all together you get a virtual library of the history of the region. i have 19 binders full with printed papers that tell the story, , because i thought it ws important to be able to see in front of me the pictures, the writings, the articles, the headlines. imagine finding a headline from february 1979 where saudi arabia initially welcomes the iranian revolution.us because although they are sort of sorry to see the shockoe, he was their friend and do initially very concerned about the possibility -- see the shah go. those with

and it's also a narrative about we all get a say. so things are going to get better. and you can see how franklin roosevelt developed that. it's leonard silkwritering in "the new york times" listening to reagan's first inaugural where he famously said in this present crisis government is the problem, government is not the solution although people forget that introductory phrase which is pretty crucial in this present crisis. leonard silk wrote he seemed to be having a direct dialogue with franklin roosevelt. 2009, not 1981, peter baker in "the new york times" wrote about obama's first inaugural, that he seemed to be in dialogue with president reagan. and what we see is an arc about ownership of the american dream that if it comes down to a single thing is whether there is more emphasis on individual initiative or whether there is a balance between individual initiative and a sense that when we fall down, when we can't do things ourselves that government ought to be there as a backdrop. and we see that in fdr, in the new deal and we certainly see that in barack obama.

and then media narratives are always drawn to an extreme. but the pessimism goes to the right because the government has done a whole heck of a lot more. it was such in bad shape i think the government has done spretty well. so talk about intellectual glamour. and the best of the world ism polemic. that is a quote from the 19th century if anybody knows anything of the world to think ill of it. the study of people looking at book reviewers summary negative some read positive but rate the intelligence those who write to negative are much clearer. but there's something stupid about optimism into many of our minds.s if you sell books but the danger of overstating a problem to justify operations is very great indeed especially if they are radical in order to gain a entities even more and to be provocative and modulated and responsible and that just makes it even more knowing. [applause] >> thank you. congratulations on a great book from here to open things up. i want to give you a chance to particularly require an answer. >> no. [laughter] so it

ignorance at best and at worst a kind of malicious attempt to really dbase the narrative to get more views more clicks and i really think it's crucial to call this out and i don't think this can be left to journalists i think we all need to call this out i think this is a loser and i have got to go to question time anywhere. on your point about journalism and how the media is in a way complicit in continue racist narrative so i would like to get into the meat industry would advise could you both give to me to try to in some way combat those narrative swaps i'm in the room because it can be quite challenging or i'm a bit ignorant to the actual process of like what happens in a news room we have recent examples where like you know kobe bryant study passes away and is is mistaken for le bron james that to me that's bonkers and that that's happened of quite a few times i think having a more diverse newsroom will help that but then i don't know whether actually practically speaking you would have a say in changing. what you know is a racist headline i think there is no substitute for dive

this is an engrossing narrative account which shows/how the civil war, the indian war and western expansion were all interconnected the 1860s were a time of national conflict, which involved not only the north and south poles of the american west. her primary source research involved letters and diaries military records and oral histories and photographs and maps from that time and nelson writes specifically about nine individuals that work towards self-determination and fight for control of the region. some of these people are fairly well-known twell known to us lie frontiersmen kit carson, others like juanita that we get to know, their stories wersome of e lost in history until now. and nelson unearthed their story to show the importance of individual actions, even in the midst of a large military conflict. the book earned a star review and indeed it's history that keeps turning the pages. megan kate nelson is a writer and historian living in lincoln has written about the civil war, u.s. western history and american culture for several publications including "the new york times," washing

but up till now, he‘s had a strong economic narrative, not a complete narrative, because we also knowmpeting economic narrative. but, yes, up until recently, president trump had a pretty strong narrative. that‘s probably going to vanish if it hasn‘t already. but nevertheless, it is going to be a tough race in november. the democrats have to come together. we‘ve got to energise our base. i think there are a lot of disenchanted republicans who we should welcome to the coalition, and certainly there‘ll be many independents who are going to be, and already are, moving in our direction because of this president‘s, not only his policies, but his lack of professionalism and his disrespect for a wide swath of the american public. i‘ve got to be honest with you, though, congressman, when you say, "we have got to energise the public," and before that, you‘ve been telling me how committed you are now to the biden campaign — you can‘t really convince either yourself or the american people, can you, thatjoe biden is the guy to energise the united states of america? leave aside the fact trump calls

appeared in the world's organist democracy -- optimistic narrative. in the world oldest democracy, if we work hard, we can build a better life for us and the next generation. it is also a narrative where we all get a say. so things are going to get better. you can c.l. franklin roosevelt developed -- you can see how franklin roosevelt developed that. it is leonard silk writing in the new york times where he famously said in this present crisis, government is the problem. government is not the solution. people forget the introductory phrase. that reagan wrote seemed to be having a direct dialogue with franklin roosevelt. later, 2009, peter baker in the new york times wrote about obama's first inaugural, that he seemed to be in dialogue with president reagan. what we see is an arc of the american dream that if it comes down to a single thing, it is whether there is more emphasis on individual initiative or whether there is a balance between individual initiative and a sense that when we fall down, when we cannot do things ourselves, that government ough

i think we have a lot of really good narrative history think you can write narrative history in differentust be really cool to see how people could experiment with that. of course within academic history that would require departments allowing such things for tenure which it's like yes, that's can be hard. i do hope that this is assignable for students because one of the things that it is not is exert double. except for maybe the prologue on the first chapter you can't really take a chapter from the middle and photocopy it for your students and have them read it, it will make no sense. it would be like taking a chapter from the novel in the middle and saying, here, read this. it's like you're in the middle of the action. you've already learned things about the people, you already know what's happening if you read from beginning. i will be interested to see from my colleagues of mine who are high school teachers if they are able to assign this book to students in a way where they can read it from beginning to end. i think that's one of our challenges is if people are reading it for class,

is a different narrative and i think that's really exciting because we're learning. we're feeding ourselves with new information because that's the demand that's what's been demanded so what do you see for the future. or for me i've just retired . from when the story of. it's almost like life starts again for me in a way you know i've just accepted a role sporting director of aston villa football club probably 5 i get to kind of make decisions now and i guess that i was kind of always that player that sort of prodded it decision makers that why we doing this why are we doing that and now i am it and it's kind of scary but exciting at the same time if i see it in you know what's i working on writing projects. which i'm really excited by and i think it just speaks to everything we've been talking about how do you reach people i am not i'm an optimistic person yes i think that most people are decent and want to know and. experience new things and so a good journalist a good writer a good creator fines ways of reaching people and about the big challenge that i'm excited

the book were going to start this month in the month of march, the narrative of the life of frederickass. anybody ever read it? great book. now, you are more familiar with this picture, right? this was a picture of frederick douglass when he was older obviously. at this time he had only traveled, without a limp, when the newark and all the other to the places and were going to talk about this. frederick douglass was repeatedly accused of not being a slave, ironically. he breaks away from slavery when slavery is like a thing and then people say there's no way you are a slave, breaux. repeatedly accused of not being a a slave and making up a story come his own and overseer aaron anthony, mercifully whipped slave sadat obeys orders quickly enough. in 1845 douglas increased internet with the publication the narrative life of frederick douglass that painted a grim picture of his life and sleep. later he updated to include more information. he named his former master been attempted to capture using bounty hunters who specialize in tracking down escaped slaves. we have to speak pick up we do

their narratives are shifted by how much government you have. but in values, in their vision of america, they're pretty similar. >> one more question and then we'll turn it over to the audience. next we're going to talk more about the communications landscape today and how it's shaped presidential rhetoric. but do you think, i mean, give the technology of the landscape, given social media, how do we reinvigorate some of these -- the traditions of presidential rhetoric that you might say are positive. do you have any advice for us on how to encourage the kind of rhetoric that you're discussing? >> well, two things. first, if either of these figures could be on the public stage, you know, president reagan is gone and president obama cannot run. i would not bet against them. i wouldn't -- if michael jordan had to hit one shot, would you vote -- would you bet against him? i would not. and these are the two most successful political figures -- i mean, reagan's the most influential republican since teddy roosevelt. and since the civil war, only two de

this is more than a reported narrative. i not only relied on our interviews with these countries we dug deep into the archives with my research assistance. we looked at old footage, we read articles, academic articles that were at the time very interesting to see how perspective changed with time when you look at articles theye were after the iran revolution or the siege to see the assessment at the time and read about it now. when you put itir all together get a virtual library of the history of the region. i have 19 binders full of papers that tell the story because i thought it was important to be able to see in front of me the pictures, the writings, that articles, the headlines. imagine finding aim headline from 1979 were saudi arabia originally welcomed the iran and revolution. although they are sort of sorry to see the chicago, they were initially very concerned about possibility there be a communist takeover of iran. those were the trends of the time, when they saw the guy that was rising to the top with somebody th

media narratives are drawn to extremes. i will note in passing the pessimism danger is greater on the left than it is on the right because the government has done more over the last three years so if it's true that after such government investment we're in sad shape you can legitimacy legitimately say where did that money go? but we should also just this brings it a bit closer to home, be honest about the fact that there's something of an intellectual glamour to both passes pessimism and polemicist him and in the best of all worlds is a pessimistic landscape. john stuart mill said in the middle of the 19th century quote, it is thought essential that any man who knows anything of the world to think ill of it. a study of people looking at book reviewers, some book reviews are negative, some positive as people to rate the intelligence of the reviewer. the reviewer's negative were rated as much cleverer than the reviewerswho were positive . there's something dull and stupid about optimism in many of our minds and i think the da

their intention again, was not necessarily to change individual choices, it was to shift the narrative. to try to have chaos and division. in that sense they have been successful amplifying those divisions. >> host: matt dominic cracked a transient democratic color. >> caller: how do you feel about voting -- electronic voting companies like shadow inca t running the voting process and getting donations from people like pete buttigieg? >> to be honest, i can't speak to the kinds of donations you are referring to from canada buttigieg or others. i think my concern when it comes to voting in general, is those machines are very vulnerable. they are not prepared to respond to a massive cyber attacks but they are very prepared for adversaries. we are using all kinds of machines some are from the year 2000 when we had almost contested election between bush and gore. if you think how far technology is, it's very easy to see why those machines are very, very vulnerable to enter fairness in cyber breaches. democratic collar from maryland. >> caller: the reason why i am calling we have to stop th

values are bad they are against you and that is a deeply pernicious narrative with the sole purpose to change what america is with the nation to embrace ideas that are radical against the original american concept. >> this project by the new york times was created to say america was not founded in 1776 but when the first slave ships came ton america do you think the birth defect of our founding and slavery should be focused so much all the good things america has done should be ignored? >> absolutely not what makes america unexceptional things like slavery or tyranny there is a commonality through history but we have the principles of 1776 all men are encreated equal that allows that system but it is so pernicious about the 1619 project. clap that's right. what they are saying especially to young black and brown americans their country is not for them. deep down that is what they are saying the founders were hypocrites they did not believe in those ideas but george washington was not a white hero frederick douglass was not a black hero these were american heroes the 5019 project is

lhis is not a triumpha narrative. we need histories relevant to where we are and where we want to go. useful histories are inherently complex. the history of how as black media and marketing men john johnson and kendricks made the market work for racial progress on their way to making money is complicated. it shows how in addition to protests, african-americans have pursued their rights to institutions that rely on and reproduce in equity and equity and -- in inequality. my question becomes, could african-americans in the postwar perio have avoided doing sod? that brings us all the way back to this question. does the experience of freedom and equality in the united states required going through or shoring up institutions of oppression? given the exclusionary elements i just pointed to in the black media images generated by postwar black capitalists we must consider this question -- is it possible to achieve freedom through the market? both questions are equally vexing to me. they have been for a long, long time. and t

i think we have a lot of good narrative history but i think you can write narrative history in differentays and it would be really cool to see how people can experiment with that. of course as an academic history that would require departments allowing such things -- which some people audience are saying that's when you be hard. but i do hope that this is assignable for students because one thing that is not except the prologue in the first chapter, you cannot take a chapter from the middle and photocopy it for your students and have them read it, it would make no sense, that would be like taking a chapter from the novel in the middle insane read this. it's not a short story you're in the middle of the action. you're the learned and know what's happening if you read from the beginning. i'll be interested to see from my colleagues who are teachers if they can assign this book in a way where they can read it from beginning to end. i think that's one of our challenges, and people are reading it for class, how do you give it up and work it into the syllabus and more workable chunks. but hope

and at the common experiences that much more positive than the narrative suggested. so simple assertions, the economy is delivering for market workers. over the past three decades, the quality of life has improved significantly over the past several decades. middle income jobs have been hollowed out. and they create and destroys. we hear a lot about the destruction and creative destruction. and if you look, you see a new metal may be starting to form where the old middle has been eroded. america's characterized by a poor economical ability. i made a couple of other assertions as well. the american dream matters and we need to make sure we secure the dream for the next generation. so very briefly. i will stand up here for about 20 minutes that i will give richard and the opportunity to respond. some not able to cover all of that. but i will do the best i can. i thought it would be better to have some real disagreements. so the economy is delivering for workers. weekly earnings for in the bottom 10 percent is one over one third faster than the growth of the medium over

and then when the narrative changes that is why he never imagine that they would come.o be visceral and personal and that's a beautiful stuff and some of it is so horrifically ugly another pandemic we have not dealt with enough many people have done wonderful things with feminism and women shelters which i hope someday we live in a world that is so nonviolent that we don't have houses where women and children hid from men and have to disappear from their violence like a bizarre scene from a wounded society. but i wanted to convey the particulars of my life and the generalities of the life that we all live in so intent on destroying women in so many way ways. so little discussed and as part of the silence i wanted to break that silence with this book. >> i meandered there. >> no. makes me feel at home. >> i had someone always told me i speak in paragraphs. >> the way you answer questions are beautiful because you have the strands but then they are all necessary and converge. something you were saying about your book as the anti- memoir in a particular way to push back ag

there was a narrative that's very troubling. i would like to announce that our event with ambassador dennis ross is another expert in the middle east is unable to come to college station. hcollege station. he had a family emergency and so kim ghattas is an award-winning journalist and writer covered the middle east for 20 years for bbc and the financial times. she reported from iraq, saudi arabia, syria, and covered the war between israel and hezbollah earning an emmy for international news coverage. on the state department and on american politics regularly traveling with secretaries of state as well as condoleezza rice, hillary clinton and john kerry. she's been published in the atlantic, the "washington post," foreign-policy an and as a non- resident scholar at the carnegie endowment for international peace in. her first book the secretary was a "new york times" bestseller. she regularly continues to speak on american television and radio and was born and raised in lebanon but now lives between beirut and washington, d.c.. if

narrative, and thatis narrative, a single narrative, and that is not fair to a city that has so that, so much diverse history. it hasjewish history, it has christian history, it has muslim history, and each of those has multiple histories as well. so here is the rub. injerusalem, any excavation is going to be both amazing and controversial at the same time. but for followers of three of the world's major religions, curious tourists, and lovers of history are like, the fact is this city will always be a draw. rajan, taking a stroll down pilgrimage road. let's switch continents now to florida, in the united states. it has been a popular destination for years. it is filled with flashy attractions like universal studios, disney world, and epcot. if you are used to a more basic way of life, the state still has plenty to offer, as mike found out when he dropped in on the gentle community of pine craft. since starting as a tourist resident in the 1920s, this has become a holiday hotspot for the amish. we have a mural here depicting every day amish life, and a friendly man welcoming us. life

there's a narrative flow to it and it's very troubling i have to say but that's the purpose of the book i think. i would like to announce unfortunately that our event in two days with ambassador dennis ross who's another expert in the middle east is unable to come to college station. he had a family emergency, so his lecture wednesday evening will be postponed until later. kim ghattas is an emmy award-winning journalist and writer who cover the middle east for 20 years for bbc and the financial times picture reported from iraq, saudi arabia, syria, lebanon,n, and she covered the r between israel and hezbollah earning an emmy for international news coverage. she's also reported on the state department and on american politics regularly traveling with secretaries of state including condoleezza rice, hillary clinton and john kerry. she has been published in atlanta, the "washington post", foreign policy, and is a nonresident scholar at the carnegie endowment for international peace at washington. her first book, the secretary, was a "new york times" bestseller. ms. ghattas regularly speaks

rasheed's narrative is different. he argues that the israeli-palestinian conflict is best understood as a colonial war against an indigenous population, a war waged with massive support from external powers and aimed at getting palestinians to relinquish their homeland to anotherpeople . rasheed himself was born in new york and educated at yale and oxford but he's the descendent of a storied palestinian family. his prodigal begins with appointment letter he discovered in a jerusalem library written in 1899 by his great great uncle who was at that time the mayor of jerusalem. the letter was to the founder of the zionist movement, theodore hurt so cautioning him respectfully about the folly of embarking on a jewish nation within an already inhabited land and urging her soul to leave palestine alone. of course that didn'thappen . rasheed goes on to focus on half a dozen or so turning point in the struggle over palestine from the 1917's through the declaration of the state of israel in 19 47, the six-day war of 1967, the

are y'all comfortable with this new narrative?ore -- i don't know, present with what's going on? >> i tend to think that, again, anything going on right now i'm not really locking into politicians although we need them for a lot of kind of the policies and things we're going to do to handle the situation. i'm finding more comfort again, in doctors and scientists. >> yeah. >> i want reasonable, calm facts and information. right now i kind of felt really unified by biden when he talked the other day. i wanted a little bit of hope, too after something like 9/11 when kind of new york city specifically all came together. i'm looking for voices that are calming me down, you be informing me, giving me facts, updating me as we go, and reminding us that we've gotten through so many things in the past and we'll get through this one if we stick in it together. i'm looking for messages of hope filled with information and fact. >> right. >> well, you know, i see that he's trying to change the narrative, you know, he's calling it a war. i think

tell me about that narrative.: i think everything about the bloomberg affect, the bloomberg takes votes from biden, no one's really challenging bernie so the question is, did elizabeth warren bombing of bloomberg and his super tuesday hopes? he's out here three minute ads during prime time tonight on different stations trying to get traction throughout the 14 states. i think it's going to be too little, too late. the war in effect, i'm not sure she why she decided to do so but the one effect and bloomberg campaign may be one of the most important narratives not covered consistently. thank god we have you on the air. looking at the analysis and breakdown of these and the other effect, steyer is gone, 100 billing dollars, you can't buy this election. the one thing trump did that other billionaires do, he appealed to the voters. he did not try to buy his way to the white house. he actually appealed to the voters. bloomberg did not do that. he's trying to buy the election on super tuesday. i think he's going to fall s

let me tell you the narrative we care about.t's going is into districts and states and having conversations with voters. people arement coing up to me going how does bernie sanders do so good with latinos? we ask them for their vote. it's a eunique concept, but mos democrats and republicans don't take the time to do that. that's how we got 73s or of the vote in thvd. you go it colorado, there's a lot of latinos there and they all love bernie sanders. >> your prediction for super tuesday? >> it's going to be a big day. when you think about just big puddles, big groups of delegates, so california has 448 delegates. you could come out of there with 100 delegates. you go to texas, that's more. if you start winning small er state, you have to watch this delegate math. it all adds up. but look at the spending. look the at folks spending money. michael bloomberg will have an affect on super tuesday because he spent a barn load of money. >> so does the bernie sanders campaign. he's spending $1.5 million on tv tonight. >> we're going to

in the numbers the body counts and they are in contest could it be the donald trump's fake news narrative has finally been exposed met its match in something he has never had much time for science every word of this not just that had you know so much about maybe i have a natural ability maybe i should have done that instead of running for president would be nice to think that it's meant as match once external reality hits it however i'm much more skeptical of the broader breakdown is that people are accepting that criticism even good faced criticism is a sign of anything that. there is you cannot take criticism without assuming that the critic is your opponent politically so in an ideal situation yes one would say that look this is reality we have to reject the lives but it is not preordained outcome that in fact lies me to fit the truth even when the truth is obvious this is a virus it's not a political movement and it doesn't have an ideology and it doesn't care about your ideology it just has a way of attacking our our bodies. lack of clarity he attempts to not really grapple with the

he had a gift for narrative. for expressing his vision of the american dream. the american dream is our most important secular myth system. they are not false stories, they are most important stories. the most important story we tell as a political story in the united states is the american dream, which is about the great heroes. it is about lincoln, madison, washington. more than that, it is about ordinary people who have lifted up the nation generation by generation as things have gotten better. we have also become more inclusive. we have had some glitches in the american dream. reagan had a gift for telling those kinds of stories. he was in some western as an actor. other actors wondered where he was. he was back in his dressing room rewriting his speech to make it better than the hollywood writers. it kind of tells you something, doesn't it? his other gift was empathy, a sense of the audience. he had a genuine understanding of the american people that flowed from -- he grew up really poor in the depression. his father was an alcoholic. he had a rough life.

the warren effect, most important narratives not covered and they have to have you on the air and theof the races. the one thing that trump did that other billionaires did not do, he appealed to the voters. he did not try to buy his way to the white house. he actually appealed to the voters. bloomberg did not do that. he's trying to buy the election on super tuesday. bernie's train has already left the station. maria: wow. >> you look at his numbers in california, in virginia, in texas, he is up, up, up. maria: maybe elizabeth warren wants to be bernie's running mate, i mean, she doesn't -- >> you know i thought -- maria: she might want the vp title for bernie. >> i tell you what if there's a dream come true it's bernie sanders and elizabeth warren on the ticket for republicans, for conservatives and frankly for the sake of america. it creates the greatest contrast with trump economy and trump endearment of the democratic process that we have. someone who creates a cast system. remember socialism is a cast system. if you're at the bottom, you never move up because when they start redi