that's what narrative fiction does in her own lying. should we move to california or not, maybe someday it will be a version of the sims where you can fully simulate your life and run it out in parallel 30 times to figure out if you're happy or not. but that's not coming anytime soon. we don't have the ability. what the novel gives us his practice. rehearsals, watching people making comparable decisions for the ones we might make. it helps us develop the sensitivity, awareness and other mindedness that are so important in making choices. in doing that, it's a great deal of wisdom that narrative fiction in could be a book about scientific studies but also about literature and the impact. but the art and science of decision-making. i would love to hear from your. one thing i realized from doing radio interviews is that a lot of people are calling in insane, but husband and i are trying to figure out if were going to have a second kid. i'm not sure i have good answers to that. as i have spent these eight years going through the material an

narratives. and i'm worried for you if you think that's romantic fiction your love life is in serious jeopardy we take you out on the. road but more paragraph here that i thought was interesting and glad i was talking about evidence and the public case that mr putin . succeeded in delivering the presidency to his admirers mr trump though it cannot be proved or disproved plausible case it cannot be proved or disproved look this is why did they write this article and this is the way that the legal system justice and the media should work if you're making an exact accusation you have to prove it we don't have to disprove something that you can't even attempt to prove. the problem is that it's not just in washington it's immoral and sometimes it's an outright lie let me let me quote just russians hijacked american citizens feelings about immigration and race feelings how can you have a feeling you know then also this is my favorite the us had bad democratic and russian forces in the so-called color revolutions. you know british is the they make this. equality between democratic and they had to rush i

narrative and understanding each other. >>host: i take a class from the book that i have read of hers a number of times from the national book award from the fiction committee. she was in mississippi the only writer that has won the national book award twice and just a really thoughtful and beautiful book. >>host: what is it about? >> a family saga. a young boy coming of age in a family where his mom is addicted to drugs his grandmother is dying and his grandfather is his rock his father's about to get out of prison and he is biracial and his mother and friend drive himm and his sister to get the father out of prison. it is about that journey and discovery and family it is about ghosts. erdon't know how she doesn't but it is a book that takes you to another place and set you down and brings you back home. >>host: these books are both about visiting in prison where does that come from? >> my uncle was incarcerated so we went to upstate new york to visit him in prison and it was a celebration because we got to be reunited for him with that one day. and so when i was growing up there were no books about people who were incarcerated even though we hav

narrative is empathy and understanding each other. >> host: who is jasmine ward? >> guest: someone i take a class from, the book that i have read of hers a number of times, i chaired the fiction committee and she lives in mississippi, she's the only writer that's won the national book award twice and just a really thoughtful and beautiful book. >> host: what -- what's it about? >> guest: it's probably a family saga, it's about young boy coming of age in a family where his mom is addicted to drugs, his grandmother is dying and his grandfather is his rock and he -- his father is about to get out of prison and heist biracial and his mother and a friend drive him and a sister to get the father out of prison. and it's about that journey, it's about discovery, it's about family, it's about ghosts, i don't know how she does it but it's about a book that takes you to another place, sits you down, brings back home different. >> host: both hailey in harbor me and this book are about visiting in prison where does that come from? >> guest: eni was growing up my urngle was incarcerated and once a month we would go visit him in up state in prison and there was a celebration because we got