>> no question, narsis. he was my great, great grandfather. i have a roots wall in my house where i have all the pictures that i have i have blown up and put them on the wall. all but his. i still to this day can't make myself do it. but he was a character that was a bit of a mystery to me because he was -- without him my family, the female part of the family would not have been able to get land. and that was incredibly important. and i have to -- i have to thank him for that. i'm not sure i can forgive him for the other things we did but he really was beneficial. for the family. i had a very tough time trying to reconcile his public views, his private views, the fact that he had another family. and he had this as a side family. the fact that he participated in some k k k activities. >> this was a very tough one. >> there are several scenes in the book where he's approaching fellamin and she's young 14, 15 or 16 and has interest in her. and she is a slave. and he is a french landowner. how did you sort of calibrate that relationship in terms o