otherwise known as narth. the therapy aimed at changing sexual orientation has been used for decades as a way to turn potentially gay children straight. >> every day i would hear this is a choice. this could be fixed. >> reporter: did you believe that? >> i never believed that. i know i'm gay just like i know i'm short and i'm half hispanic and i never thought those facts would change. it is part of my core fundamental identity. so the parallel would be sending me to tall camp and saying if you try really hard, one day you can be 6'1 ". >> reporter: ryan says he was treated by joseph nickleosi who today is still associated with narth. >> the refrain was the religious one this is something that makes god cry that this is something your family doesn't want for you. >> reporter: at his office, outside los angeles, we asked if he remembered treating ryan kendall about 14 years earlier. >> i'm not familiar with the name at all. >> reporter: his parents have provided bills from your office, there have been checks wr

it's otherwise known as narth.py, changed sexual orientation has been used for decades to turn potentially gay children straight. >> i know i'm gay like i'm short and half hispanic. it's part of my core fundamental identity. the comparative would be saying like sending me to tall camp. >> he said he was treated by dr. joseph nicolosi. as his office outside los angeles we asked nicolosi about treating ryan kendall about 14 years ago. >> i'm not familiar. >> his parents have provided bills. there have been checks to your office but no record. >> no. >> he says that your therapy was quite harmful. he said you told him to butch up, quote/unquote. >> never. that's not my lanch. >> you said, people like others are trying to g it the gay out of people? >> that's a bad way of saying it. i would say we're trying to get the heterosexual out of you. he credits this man. reekers worked as a doctoral student at uyla in the 1970s. in a government-funded experimental program later called sissy boy syndrome. riekers treat add boy

we broke through essentially 1.25 this morning so narth looks wide open.aiting to find out what's going on with spain. it's worth pointing out we've got snaps as well out of spain suggesting they're now going to issue debt to recapitalize a bank here after the ecb reported ly caught water on their initial plans. >> a couple of different surveys to circle back, while the consumer confidence report was roughly in line with expectations it appears the sentiment indicator for industrial activity was weaker than expected. >> yeah, business climate minus .77, myment 5.1 in april. >> exactly. even in the last couple of years, we're seeing their lows of 1.33%. it's amazing. germany is borrowing for 30 years when italy is going to have a rough time borrowing for a couple months' time. >> keep your eyes on how much they pay for the five-year. >> all right. spain meanwhile is denying reports that it's suspending plans to the european central bank. the finance ministry says it has yet to put forth any plan for the ailing lender despite headlines for the contrary. the