thank you certainly isn't a stranger to us at naruc.she is fearless and she would come and take us all on, even before she was administrator. it really has been a privilege to engage with her. i mentioned it to jason ahead of our beginning this morning that -- and by the way, you are getting a demonstration about the different business access this one. p.o. boxes on the right and my southern low accent on the left. -- boston on the right. i was mentioning to jason was what hit home to me in terms of the new effort to bridge this gap of environment and economic regulation was a meeting that we held, i believe it was an unprecedented meeting, at the white house with all of the energy principles in the obama administration and the naruc executives meeting. we planned to go there to take our resolution on 111-d. i hope to talk more about that in a discussion, and the white house said we have the resolution of want to thank you for it. so they were on top of it. we are speaking the same language, and my message is that i hope that the states

we at naruc certainly don't pick winners and losers. we embrace all of the above energy approach, and senator, i know you do too. i heard you say that very thing. we believe coal is a low-cost option and that it should be a part of our energy mix. we therefore, working with the epa to insure they hear us. at our november naruc committee we issued a ruling regarding the 111-d process, that to insure states have flexibility. that the federal government respects the role of the states. that the epa also honors this notion of diversity. we embrace that as economic regulators. the fuel mix in one state is very different from another. states such as kentucky or west virginia, or indiana very heavily rely upon coal and so any rule makings that impact a state's generating mix will clearly be important to those states but clearly all of us as economic regulators. i appreciate the question. i want all members of the committee know we're working every day literally on this issue and we are a constant voice in helping all of the stakeholders around

. >> just final word is always deep tank collapsed in naruc and the energy world for the work they are doing on this, but also thank you, jason. we've been working for a long time in the same arena. you've always been incredibly helpful, but i think we both share an interest in making sure that environmental issues aren't seen as partisan issues. you're here at the bipartisan policy center for a reason because you believe a strong -- i think the most important thing i want to know whether you're an environmental, energy world is that the most important thing is that we all try to find ways of serving the people that we are serving most. and that means giving man some real opportunities to address climate change, which is a threat to the public health and environment, but also we find the most cost-effective ways to align that with a really robust 21st energy system that can support that. if we keep that in mind and try to get involved and find ways to find a path forward that can get to those goals, i think what you just fine. >> let me thank both of our panelists. we could not be in b

. >> co-chaired a forum that nate with naruc and epa and we had meetings on 316-b and coal ash and now a lot of focus is on greenhouse gas. i think as rules are developed we need to be come mentors in the -- comment ores in the draft stage, in greenhouse gas rules coming out on june 2nd i had believe to make sure the rules achievable while reliability can be preserved. look at our knitting, if you look at the greenhouse gas rules they could potentially make changes for the markets and infrastructure. make sure we're doing what we need to do to support reliability as those rules come in. so commenting to the epa and looking to make sure the infrastructure is keeping up. >> i hope on the front end you will do not just commenting but analysis for them as to what the impact is. kind of like this cost benefit analysis, we talk about a lot. this is certainly a cost. reliability is a cost. as you say to consumers. you talked about the price spikes. you didn't talk about potential for brownouts which is also there and blackouts. and we've gone through tough winter admittedly and we really stre

moeller believe is right behind me and on the next day off, and i co-chaired a forum that met with naruc coming and we've had meetings on 315 p., coal ash and right now a lot of the focus is on greenhouse gas. i think as rules are developed we need to the commenters in the draft stage such as in the greenhouse gas ash -- casuals the dimension second i believe, to make sure that those rules are achievable while reliability can be preserved and then look at our meeting, if you look at the greenhouse gas rules that could potentially make changes to the markets and the infrastructure, make sure we're doing what we need to do to support reliability as those goals coming. so common to the epa and looking to make sure the infrastructure is keeping up. >> i hope on the front and you will do not just commenting but analysis for them as to what the impact is but it's kind of like the cost-benefit analysis. we talked about a lot, this is certainly a cost. reliability is a cost to consumers. talked about the price spikes. you didn't talk about the potential for brownouts, blackouts, and we've gone t

through these types of discussions and improved coordination we can all become better prepared, and narucand the states are committed to it. >> thank you all very much. thank you for abiding by your time, because we do have a very important subject to try to cover. unfortunately, we're going to have votes at 10:30. we're going to try to keep the hearing moving, though, because i'll vote first, senator murkowski second, and we'll keep the hearing going. before we start, i'd like to call the attention of the members to a document that the staff provided, particularly to page 3 to really understand the interconnectivity of this grid. it says here that there are actually three independent regional grids, the western grid, the eastern grid and then texas has its own grid. but hawaii is not on here, neither is puerto rico or alaska. [laughter] so i want the staff to upgrade this list. this -- [laughter] to upgrade this document. the reason i call it to your anticipation as all of us are really supportive on both sides of the aisle about the importance of state authorities. it's really impossibl