owners of nascar racetracks, wind turbine makers, ge. >> of course.ot the odds aren't good. ss you talked with steve forbese people have been at this a long time. onnee thing i i think we haven'd done is frame this debate in terms of some of the words of some of the language that i think is very popular now. when i look at this, i see institutionalized inequality and opportunity. if you're big, if you're if wealthy, you're connected, this can work in your advantage. but if you're the small guy,nta then you're at a severe disadvantage. and if we think about inequality in the united states, why not start attacking it by takingit this thing down from 75,000 pages to something thatha everybody can deal with? >> i should say that the 75,000 is beyond this. that's the explanation. e >> right, exactly. >> but the movement is to add more. >> right. yeah. >> read the paper, it'ss a litte adjustment here, a tweak there. what's really so -- >> why this is really an issue is actually today it is probably more than ever easier for your average person to be an entrepreneur, to start somethi