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ladies and gentlemen, dean vali nasr. [cheers and applause] now, when you think of provocative conversation on the big foreign policy challenge of the day you have to think about our next debater. his program on cnn is seen in over 200 countries worldwide but he's anything but a talking head on tv. he writes a column for "the washington post" and is the edit or "time" magazine. please welcome back to the munk debate stage journalist fareed zakaria. [cheers and applause] now we're moments from getting our debate under way but before we hear opening statements, once again, i need this audience assist answer to make sure our debaters stay on time in terms of their opening and closing remark and we move forward as a debate together. so you will see this countdown clock, this clock appear. when it reaches zero applaud. this will let our debaters know that their time is over for their opening and closing statements. before we kick off the debate let's see how the 3,000 people gathered today voted on our resolution that the worl
ladies and gentlemen, dean vali nasr. [cheers and applause] now, when you think of provocative conversation on the big foreign policy challenge of the day you have to think about our next debater. his program on cnn is seen in over 200 countries worldwide but he's anything but a talking head on tv. he writes a column for "the washington post" and is the edit or "time" magazine. please welcome back to the munk debate stage journalist fareed zakaria. [cheers and applause] now...
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of being peaceful they are enough to stop this kind of terroristic attacks by the government there nasr question marks on how a new front you funded your campaign and this march in particular the food you receive in the foreign aids or funds from the roads simple answer who funded the revolution of the un and the people in egypt who funded them. who funded the people in libya. who funded the people in tunis these are the people who funded the people in iran very old is when the people get up for revolution they give their lives as second feis but to talk about the money every single poor person is selling is the here these sold we gave i myself my life my children's my daughters my daughter in law all of them other family give the part of their julies the ladies are given the jewelry the girls are given the jewelry people are selling their outfits their motorbikes their cars whatever savings they have they are spending on the public city they are doing everything for this but even though it's an open secret that the americans the u.s. and the with some western powers have. the head they
of being peaceful they are enough to stop this kind of terroristic attacks by the government there nasr question marks on how a new front you funded your campaign and this march in particular the food you receive in the foreign aids or funds from the roads simple answer who funded the revolution of the un and the people in egypt who funded them. who funded the people in libya. who funded the people in tunis these are the people who funded the people in iran very old is when the people get up...
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already well of course you're going to come to the conclusion that no proper cases been made and case of nasr or age any number of witnesses who could have been who could have been called by the i c t y as for evidence about his crimes including in general for the including journalists with scene films of his killing and torturing people none of them was called by the i c t y as of course the eyes anyway said oh well there's not enough evidence to warrant conviction well if you read the case then obviously you're going to say in one case yes there's plenty of evidence and in other cases no there's no evidence ok bill i want you to jump in. yes i just want to add it's worth remembering that the entire concept of crimes against humanity and work. created at the end of world war two and the nuremberg trials and the tokyo trials were certainly not examples of impartial justice they were victor's justice the judges all came from the countries that had defeated nazi germany and imperial japan but the him but still we have to recognize that some kind of effort at impartial justice is. is necessary i
already well of course you're going to come to the conclusion that no proper cases been made and case of nasr or age any number of witnesses who could have been who could have been called by the i c t y as for evidence about his crimes including in general for the including journalists with scene films of his killing and torturing people none of them was called by the i c t y as of course the eyes anyway said oh well there's not enough evidence to warrant conviction well if you read the case...
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power vacuum develop you had for many years president mubarak before him president sadat and president nasr who effectively served as a fair of a country and the entire country was set up on a patronage system that leader was replaced some of the institutions of the state were replaced some of that leadership of the institutions of state were replaced but the institutions of the state itself were never reformed and you still have a power struggle over who will run that system the government of egypt i agree with the previous guest has some features that resemble the previous government the politics of egypt are vastly changed you have a very polarized fragmented in many senses political scene where everyone understandably so feels empowered to speak for a revolution that at some senses they all supported when it just involves removing mubarak but now when it comes to the question of moving forward you have a big dispute and a big debate and that will take many years in all likelihood to settle on the question of intervention i would disagree with the previous guest slightly in this this is
power vacuum develop you had for many years president mubarak before him president sadat and president nasr who effectively served as a fair of a country and the entire country was set up on a patronage system that leader was replaced some of the institutions of the state were replaced some of that leadership of the institutions of state were replaced but the institutions of the state itself were never reformed and you still have a power struggle over who will run that system the government of...
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power vacuum develop you had for many years president mubarak before him president sadat and president nasr who effectively served as a fair of a country and the entire country was set up on a patronage system that leader was replaced some of the institutions of the state were replaced some of the leadership of the institutions of state were replaced but the institutions of the state itself were never reformed and you still have a power struggle over who will run that system the government of egypt i agree with the previous guest has some features that resemble the previous government the politics of egypt are vastly changed you have a very polarized fragmented in many senses political scene where everyone understandably so feels empowered to speak for a revolution that at some senses they all supported when it just involves removing mubarak but now when it comes to the question of moving forward you have a big dispute in a big debate and that will take many years in all likelihood to settle on the question of intervention i would disagree with the previous guest slightly in this this is pr
power vacuum develop you had for many years president mubarak before him president sadat and president nasr who effectively served as a fair of a country and the entire country was set up on a patronage system that leader was replaced some of the institutions of the state were replaced some of the leadership of the institutions of state were replaced but the institutions of the state itself were never reformed and you still have a power struggle over who will run that system the government of...
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power vacuum develop you had for many years president mubarak before him president sadat and president nasr who effectively served as a fair of a country and the entire country was set up on a patronage system that leader was replaced some of the institutions of the state were replaced some of that leadership of the institutions of state were replaced but the institutions of the state itself were never reformed and you still have a power struggle over who will run that system the government of egypt i agree with the previous guest has some features that resemble the previous government the politics of egypt are vastly changed you have a very polarized fragmented in many senses political scene where everyone understandably so feels empowered to speak for a revolution that at some senses they all supported when it just involves removing mubarak but now when it comes to the question of moving forward you have a big dispute and a big debate and that will take many years in all likelihood to settle on the question of intervention i would disagree with the previous guest slightly in this this is
power vacuum develop you had for many years president mubarak before him president sadat and president nasr who effectively served as a fair of a country and the entire country was set up on a patronage system that leader was replaced some of the institutions of the state were replaced some of that leadership of the institutions of state were replaced but the institutions of the state itself were never reformed and you still have a power struggle over who will run that system the government of...
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vali nasr let's have you begin this. say that iran is seeking a nuclear device to dominate the arab world not to destroy the middle east. but as we heard the long-range missiles that were fired for the first time on jerusalem and on tel aviv were proudly provided by iran. so why is the general wrong about the intent of destruction and why are you right about domination? >> first of all, iran and israel have been in a low-level war for a number of decades. you refer to the back and forth over what happened in south lebanon with the bombing and the retaliations that iran did in argentina. currently, as we're speaking there are cyber attacks on iran. they are hitting back. but launching a nuclear weapon is a different order of magnitude in terms of escalation. as he said with a second strike the ability with submarines. iran is in no way to take israel on at that level. iran would brandish these missiles proudly. he wants to change the conversation in the middle east from syria. he wants to tell a arabs that he is providing
vali nasr let's have you begin this. say that iran is seeking a nuclear device to dominate the arab world not to destroy the middle east. but as we heard the long-range missiles that were fired for the first time on jerusalem and on tel aviv were proudly provided by iran. so why is the general wrong about the intent of destruction and why are you right about domination? >> first of all, iran and israel have been in a low-level war for a number of decades. you refer to the back and forth...
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and nasr our cab driver was nice enough to drop us off here only he can't get a return fare back he has to leave and go all the way back to d.c. without anybody in his cab simply because of the regulations. that requires another permit that a driver may or may not be able to get and on this day at this time maybe that makes sense there aren't the lines i've waited in countless times for a cab here when there just don't seem to be enough in lieu of customers there actually seems to be a glut of taxis that are. moving on we need another driver with more complaints about the rules one is what he says is a recent change of prohibition on ride sharing. it's. hardly any of the cab or something and i have another person to drive all my way i cannot take them by because there is no sure right. perhaps that's one reason why we've started to see more. more cars like this appear on streets a business opportunity for a company looking for new revenue asking this question what else can we do what are the other streams out there such as ride sharing car sharing working with taxi mysteries the result
and nasr our cab driver was nice enough to drop us off here only he can't get a return fare back he has to leave and go all the way back to d.c. without anybody in his cab simply because of the regulations. that requires another permit that a driver may or may not be able to get and on this day at this time maybe that makes sense there aren't the lines i've waited in countless times for a cab here when there just don't seem to be enough in lieu of customers there actually seems to be a glut of...
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ladies and gentlemen, dean vali nasr.s and applause] now, when you think of provocative conversation on the big foreign policy challenge of the day you have to think about our next debater. his program on cnn is seen in over 200 countries worldwide but he's anything but a talking head on tv. he writes a column for "the washington post" and is the edit or "time" magazine. please welcome back to the munk debate stage journalist fareed zakaria. [cheers and applause] now we're moments from getting our debate under way but before we hear opening statements, once again, i need this audience assist answer to make sure our debaters stay on time in terms of their opening and closing remark and we move forward as a debate together. so you will see this countdown clock, this clock appear. when it reaches zero applaud. this will let our debaters know that their time is over for their opening and closing statements. before we kick off the debate let's see how the 3,000 people gathered today voted on our resolution that the world canno
ladies and gentlemen, dean vali nasr.s and applause] now, when you think of provocative conversation on the big foreign policy challenge of the day you have to think about our next debater. his program on cnn is seen in over 200 countries worldwide but he's anything but a talking head on tv. he writes a column for "the washington post" and is the edit or "time" magazine. please welcome back to the munk debate stage journalist fareed zakaria. [cheers and applause] now we're...
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and vali nasr, let's have you begin. this you've argued in a sense that iran is seeking to acquire a nuclear device to dominate the arab world, not destroy israel. yet as we heard from general yadlin, those very missiles, those very long range missiles that were fired for the first time by hamas, an islamic jihad, on jerusalem and on tel aviv were proudly provided by iran. so why is general yadlin wrong about the intent of destruction? why are you right about the impetus toward domination? >> well, first of all, iran and israel have been in a low-level warfare with one another over a number of decades. he referred to the back and forth over what happened in south lebanon with the bombing and the retaliations that iran did in argentina. there have been attacks on israel here and there and currently as we're speaking there are cyberattack operations on iran as well as assassination of their scientists. they're also hitting back. but launching nuclear weapons is a whole different order of magnitude in terms of escalation. p
and vali nasr, let's have you begin. this you've argued in a sense that iran is seeking to acquire a nuclear device to dominate the arab world, not destroy israel. yet as we heard from general yadlin, those very missiles, those very long range missiles that were fired for the first time by hamas, an islamic jihad, on jerusalem and on tel aviv were proudly provided by iran. so why is general yadlin wrong about the intent of destruction? why are you right about the impetus toward domination?...
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vali nasr, you are next. >> i take his cautions and warnings quite seriously. a very important and stark choice faces us and will face the new american administration going forward. we think of the biggest issue in the middle east being iran him only because it is a dictatorial regime that is abusing its population. it is taunting israel and its neighbors and supports terrorism. when we think about decisions about iran, we also have to know that every decision has a context. the context of the following, that iran is not the only issue in the region. we are seeing a middle east that is falling apart all across the board. from tunisia, libya, egypt, bahrain, it is becoming unstable. we are seeing extremism. we are seeing a major shift in this region. we are not dealing with iran in a vacuum. the decisions we make have to be decisions for the region. we are dealing with a united states that is tired of war. it has not gone well in the two big wars it conducted in the middle east. it spent trillions of dollars, a lot of mud and -- blood and treasure. it is very cl
vali nasr, you are next. >> i take his cautions and warnings quite seriously. a very important and stark choice faces us and will face the new american administration going forward. we think of the biggest issue in the middle east being iran him only because it is a dictatorial regime that is abusing its population. it is taunting israel and its neighbors and supports terrorism. when we think about decisions about iran, we also have to know that every decision has a context. the context...
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[applause]>> nasr, you are the expert on he ran. why is that not true? >> size of population, the amount of way, it could potentially be orders of magnitude. i do not know of any population that will side with the outsider bombing its country. [applause]especially because, this is not about democracy. we are not putting sanctions on iran about democracy. you are not bombing iran for democracy and human rights. it is for something that potentially the iranian people believe in. their technology, their government. the iranians are probably as affectionate about their nuclear program as the pakistanis are about theirs. >> we bombed and the population applauded us. >> you were bombing to protect them -- >> you just said no government was attacked and the people rallied on behalf-- >> i gave you an example. >> what makes you think that iranians, with the example of 1953 when we intervened in the round,-- in iran, or even the moderate, liberal democratic that relation -- population -- >> a regime that shoots young women in the street and delivers the body to t
[applause]>> nasr, you are the expert on he ran. why is that not true? >> size of population, the amount of way, it could potentially be orders of magnitude. i do not know of any population that will side with the outsider bombing its country. [applause]especially because, this is not about democracy. we are not putting sanctions on iran about democracy. you are not bombing iran for democracy and human rights. it is for something that potentially the iranian people believe in. their...
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vali nasr let's have you begin this. you say that iran is seeking a nuclear device to dominate the arab world not to destroy the middle east. but as we heard the long-range missiles that were fired for the first time on jerusalem and on tel aviv were proudly provided by iran. so why is the general wrong about the intent of destruction and why are you right about domination? >> first of all, iran and israel have been in a low-level war for a number of decades. you refer to the back and forth over what happened in south lebanon with the bombing and the retaliations that iran did in argentina. currently, as we're speaking there are cyber attacks on iran. they are hitting back. but launching a nuclear weapon is a different order of magnitude in terms of escalation. as he said with a second strike the ability with submarines. iran is in no way to take israel on at that level. iran would brandish these missiles proudly. he wants to change the conversation in the middle east from syria. he wants to tell arabs that he is providi
vali nasr let's have you begin this. you say that iran is seeking a nuclear device to dominate the arab world not to destroy the middle east. but as we heard the long-range missiles that were fired for the first time on jerusalem and on tel aviv were proudly provided by iran. so why is the general wrong about the intent of destruction and why are you right about domination? >> first of all, iran and israel have been in a low-level war for a number of decades. you refer to the back and...