in nass awe county -- nassau county, new york, for instance, they imposed a sewer fee and imposeded it only against nonprofits and they hope to raise $14 million to $18 million on that so that every time a toilet gets flushed and creates new sewage, there is a toilet tax imposed on nonprofits. it is this creative mind set not appreciating that the nonprofit that has to pay new fees and taxes it takes away from our service delivery to people in the community. so that mom might not get fed. the child might not be able to get preschool support, et cetera. host: do you have a macro number of how much americans contribute to charity every year like for 2009 or 2010? and what percentage of government services are nonprofits now providing? do you have those macro numbers? guest: i don't have them off the top of my head. the second number, in terms of how much our government is providing or relying on nonprofits, nobody has that number. the reason being, our government doesn't clebt that sort of money at the local, state -- doesn't collect that information at the local, state, or federal level