that some flooring natal soldiers would have to be in the ukraine. and russia would have to accept that if we don't want a fight between the 2 end and russian soldiers, however, this is diploma. so this is the world politics. maybe there is some aim in proposing this kind of things to be discussed. and we'll see what's, what's at the end, what thing, but some of the criticism about the proposal for the, for the piece mission was that it was perhaps rather populist kind of symbolic gesture. do you think the case m. uh no, not really. it was, or it was very, very important signal for the ukraine that those 3 prime ministers went there or it was a dangerous mission. and i think it symbolically it helped ukraine. it didn't help you correctly didn't change the that the situation the war is going on. the ukraine is in a very dire situation. the russia still attacking however, for the, for, for the politics, for the kind of a p, r of this politics. which is also very of this war, which is also very important. it was an important and a very brave or decision

that some flooring natal soldiers would have to be in the train. and russia would have to accept that if we don't want a fight between the 2 and russian soldiers, however, this is diplomacy, this is the world politics. maybe there is some aim in proposing this kind of things to be discussed. and we'll see what's, what's at the end, what's been but some of the criticism about the proposal for the, for the piece mission was that it was perhaps rather populist kind of symbolic gestures. do you think them k, m no, not really. it was, or it was very, very important signal for the ukraine, that those 3 prime ministers went there. it was a dangerous mission, and i think it symbolically it did help ukraine. it didn't help you correctly didn't change the situation. the war is going on. the ukraine is in a very dire situation, russia still attacking however, for the, for the politics, for the kind of a p, r of this politics. which is also very of this war, which is also very important. it was an important and a very brave or decision to, to go there in the m

the natal territory where we have to be aware of that. speaking of the weapons deliveries, certainly ukraine's president feels more is needed. let's listen to an excerpt from the latest in his unflagging appeal to the world community. listen, so we did a good lucko. please do not sponsor the weapons of war of this country of russia. i see roll, no, no euros for the occupiers. zachary close all your ports to them. the nipples that don't send them your goods. read more, deny them energy resources be pushed for russia to leave ukraine luxury i believe. and i know that piece is possible, but you can take action to achieve real. indeed, the sheldon will be her. gwendolyn, europe has already imposed unprecedented sanctions on russia. it is also a sent a record number of weapons as we mentioned to poland in the face of these as, as ola sholtes said to day unbearable images that we are seeing from ukraine. you think that citizens and leaders in europe are prepared to do more. they will have to do more and if we think where where they come from an

the natal territory, we have to be aware of that. speaking of the weapons deliveries, certainly ukraine's president feels more is needed. let's listen to an excerpt from the latest in his unflagging appeal to the world community. miss phone. so we did a good laska, please do not sponsor the weapons of war of this country of russia. i see roll, no, no euros for the occupiers. zachary close all your ports to them. the nipples that don't send them your goods viewed move, deny them, energy resources, the push for russia to leave ukraine level grade, i believe. and i know that piece is possible, but you can take action to achieve leave. indeed, the sheldon will break thee her. gwendolyn, europe has already imposed unprecedented sanctions on russia. it is also a sent a record number of weapons, as we mentioned, to poland in the face of these as, as all i shall said to day unbearable images that we are seeing from ukraine. you think that citizens and leaders in europe are prepared to do more, they will have to do more. and if we think where

but then we have also started the process in natal. i to assess the more longer term consequences for the tense and the fun defense. and we are also mentor commanders to provide advice. we received that advice, would in some weeks, and then based on those advices from our meter commanders, we will take the political decisions on how to further strengthen for the more longer term our the turns and the fence. the turns on the fence is not about provoking and conflict, but it is about preventing a conflict. it's about preserving peace and natal score task is to preserve peace, prevent conflict have done so from with, on 7th years on. we need to continue to do that in a new and security reality on a ukraine. i will just say that i fully understand the frustration and the desperation that pressed on settings sky and the ukrainian people feel because they are on that extreme difficult a situation where to see civilian casualties or destruction every day. including attacks on hospitals, schools or civilian infrastructure. and that's also reas

this is a conflict between natal expanding towards what i will call your asian countries. currently, it's russia, but tomorrow it will be turkey. and it is, it has been yesterday actually turkey as well. as i mentioned, we had a group here in 2016, supported by nato forces inside turkey as well. so if the turkish government focuses on that broader scope, and if it acknowledges that the conflict in crane is a conflict between natal led by the united states and the your asian side, currently led by russia. but with china and india and several lesson american countries behind it, then it will play a positive role in not only pushing that too, but also in really achieving, contributing to global regional and global peace. i think that is the path to follow. and this scope needs to go beyond small and short term economic interest as well. this is very important while talking about economic interests and unsanctioned and no policies, the situation, the criminal said that that's actually to be criticized the discrimination russians are now facing in the west. as we've heard, mast

so, present peut, his aim was to divide natal. when he gets his mort unite the nathan, he wanted to know where to undermine that the nation of ukraine. he's actually string thing that unity of ukraine on the, on the, on the, on the, and then commitment to the ukraine nation. but the ukranian people. and then he wanted less nate, to on its borders. he is getting more nato on its borders. so to do all this, we need to be coordinated. we need to consult and therefore we earn the day off invasion. we have the virtual natal summit with older natalee, this extraordinary nato summit. and we will have a extraordinary natal summit next week or in person hand brussels to continue to ensure that we are united, that we are closely lying under to be an act together both when it comes to providing support to ukraine. when it comes to coordinating our efforts and it comes to imposing costs on russia, but also when it comes to taking the necessary decisions to ensure that we send a clear message to russia about our credible to turns on the fence

members in the nearest and gifts so that we're not even in natal lab because he has put in 6 a ration. but the book, you know, because of this war, i really strongly believe will be a lot of supporters and you greg will be a member. right. but if you just briefly, before we go secretary of state antony blink and said on wednesday that the united states was keeping the door open to diplomatic ways forward with russia. do you see any prospect for a face saving off ramp for putting right now? well, no arms because of ukrainians and sacrifices. if you want to face saving, he has to figure out how to do this. if he's drawn his troops, if he stops the war, yes, the might start to lift maybe some sanctions. but 1st of all, he has to do something because usually with russia, it happens that they speak one and they do something totally different. such type of policies cannot succeed. who can brokerage with russia? excuse me. who could broker a deal with russia right now? well, i think we all, if we stand together, europeans and americans, and actually actually, i'm still looking forward to be

i wanted to ask you about the, the natal issue. why is that that so difficult for europe and end nato to compromise on the issue of ukraine as seating to nato? does sovereignty mean that a country is free to make its own decision irrespective of the security of others? i mean, would the u. s. for example, allow mexico to have a security deal, a security alliance or military alliance with russia or china, for example. nobody not certainly you wasn't not allowed mexico. uh huh. last is the google crisis that night. so why should the ukrainians be at be be allowed to be part of nato? if that's a main concern, i said, because for russia that would be a challenge. and that's how it's been seen over the last 10 or 12 years with instruction 2008. when there was a possibility or some groups are advocating under the bush administration for trying to become a member of nato. we have she, that 40 natal to defense ukraine, a credenza rational. russia like today would be almost impossible because you couldn't have such a large country, which is

this is a conflict between natal expanding towards what i would call your asian countries. currently, it's russia, but tomorrow it will be turkey. let us listen to what us present buys and recently stayed in his state of the union where he, i quote, said that the free world has been shaken. well, free world in that context means the world free to join nato and to accept us dominance within the alliance. so he's defending actually grainy and government freedom to submit itself to nato control and dominance. so this is a serious conflict and we are facing concerning the sanctions. the u. s. claim of the so called unipolar world. they are trying hard to organize this unipolar world . they're trying to hard to organize it in security energy. they are intervening into global energy markets. they are trying to force everyone to sell strategic reserves of oil for instance. and they are trying to keep up the system going under their dominance and guidance. and we can simply measured their success by taking a look at the oil price or the gas price. they fail in that. so this is a re

so if criminal ends aim is to have less made on his borders, it will all get more natal. this appeared to be a $180.00 degree, turn around of former agreements. here's a map of nato members in 1990 and in 2022. so the promises would broken not once, not twice, but 14 times. that's how many countries have become nato members since the ninety's . yet now, nato and co chaired on by the mainstream media, pretend like they were no promises at all. i would like to state once again that neither the 2 pos for agreement, nor the needle russia founding act contained promises to russia that nato would not expand to the east. the 2 plus for agreement does not mention this issue at all. and any statements to the contrary, do not correspond to reality. is that written down? where is that promise written down? it's actually right here. the minutes of march 6th 199 to one meeting in bon between political directors of the foreign ministries of the u. s. u. k. france and germany. we had made it clear during the 2 plus 4 negotiations that we would not extend nato beyond the l. we could not

we are ready to do it as a natal ally and we should first discuss it at the natal level that will behe need the consensus of that and so far there is no natal consensus on that. we are providing other support to ukraine starting from humanitarian assistance throughout political and diplomatic support thatis political and diplomatic support that is what we are concentrating on now. ~ ., ., ., ., ,, ., that is what we are concentrating on now. ~ ., ., ,, ., ., now. the ukrainian troops are doing reall well now. the ukrainian troops are doing really well on _ now. the ukrainian troops are doing really well on the _ now. the ukrainian troops are doing really well on the battlefield - now. the ukrainian troops are doing really well on the battlefield and - really well on the battlefield and they are counterattacking around kyiv and in other places but is your sense they need more military assistance from nato? i do sense they need more military assistance from nato? i do believe the ukrainian _ assistance from nato? i do believe the ukrainian nation _ assistance from nato? i do believe th

therefore, it has been a very clear message from natal. i said we will not send troops to ukraine polish radio. leave your back. thank you very much on about upon scaffold. kennedy polish, a public bukasa, a secretary general, if i may ask about the, again, a bald enhancing the poet presence on the east and slaying. is it a time to consider all to this hides to enlarge the battalions that are in baltic states and poland into the brigade groups and also current follow up to the, to the question concerning nuclear threats, repeated again and again by russia. is there a possibility to for the leaders to prepare a kind of a plan, just in case thank you very much. first on the nuclear, that nato has plans in place to protect all alice against anything. but our main message is that russia stop this thing, just irresponsible new to rhetoric. ah, but it but, but, but, but let it be no doubt about our readiness to protect.

we talked about the fact that natal does not want to use the word red lines, but how could that nato respond? what do you think we're going to see as, as a joint response here? so some leaders told us before, at the meeting, started that nato allies could individually impose even more massive sanctions against russia. and many told us that are really very concerned about such a potential use of chemical or biological weapons. as you said, nobody here wants to talk about to read lines, but secretary general's tolten back said yesterday that any use of such weapons of mass destruction would change the nature of the conflict. and he also stressed once again that to russia will see a massive her far reaching consequences. then we should fail center. this comes against the backdrop of what is really a busy day in brussels. there's a meeting of the g 7 as well. and you leaders, summit happening later, all of this, which the u. s. president will be attending. what's your impression there in brussels? i mean, how strongly united are you and nato members on how to respond to this conflict? we

as long as natal member country is not attacked. that's right, i guess hard what we are listening to is the secretary general reiterating at the nato alliance is position that everything that nato is doing, the, the long term security strategy that it's been discussing. and in the meetings today, at all, the defense spending and all the, the, the bolstering of units, and all the provisions and the measures that nato was taking, are only for the event that a nato member comes under attack. ukraine is not an 8 member, and we'll likely not be when we heard that as well from the ukranian president of a lot of me, it's zalinski who on tuesday, really gave the most explicit acknowledgement of the fact that ukraine's desire to join nato. i would likely not be realised at any time soon and it's something that zalinski said that he had accepted. so nato has been firm on its position that it does not believe it's direct involvement in this conflict. i would bring an end to the conflict. in fact, the contrary, nature's position is that this wo

so he said that natal had a responsibility to protect member countries and there was always a risk of incidence and accidents. we like to hope to make sure that they don't spiral out of control. that meeting is going to be taking place amongst those defense ministers tomorrow. and we will probably be bringing you coverage of that. when it happens, the mayor of came says, this is a difficult and dangerous moment as russian strikes continue to hit, his city is called an ukrainians to help defend the capital not to go back. as of today, the 15th of march, 20100 hours martial law. it's not allowed to move around the city without special permission until 7 am on the 17th of march. yes, what about the book? i'm asking everyone, your old men who have not returned yet. please come back. we need to defend our city in our future. ukrainian children are becoming refugees at a rate of one per 2nd according to the un knots almost one and a half 1000000 children in total since the war began. that's been 3 weeks ago. the us refugee agencies has more than 3000000 people have escaped the fighting in u

guest: natal has been -- natal has been unified. -- it was originally just a handful of countries that agreed to support ukraine military. canada also helped. now we see the belgians coming up with equipment and the germans and the sweets who are not even nato members so the lever -- level of support from ukraine has escalated significantly. host: how much influence has president biden have own -- had on that? guest: showing that we are in support of ukraine and announcing that we will have does -- devastating sanctions if the russians ukraine and supplies ukraine -- that sense -- send a signals -- to others. i want to say -- the european union sanctions are probably the most significant things. these hit the russian economy and they hit them directly. host: the discussion as far as sanctions was sanctioning directly. so that come into play? guest: this was one of the frustrations i had. i am happier that we see sanctions but we cannot leave things off the table on purpose and that will lose ukrainian lives. we need to do everything to stop food. host: our guest is with us. (202) 748-8

natal in says that ukraine's a sovereign country. we should have the right to decide whether it wants to be in nature or not. i mean how, how do we move on from this jennifer? it if thinking, no, i mean, i think it will be what we need to do as europeans, as if all the help support model support to be ukraine and army with ukraine of people at the station at the maximum possible without interfering into the war without opening the door to become a european over world war and others of course, at the moment, abrupt but the old. no, does he not already today? ukraine has long the, the communication campaign of all this war. and also you crave has so much for them as the russian military done, the russians has ever expected. so once the bad news gets out into russia who but this war is advancing for the russians. right. it could change the teacher for, for a very tough. it's carl, i wanted to ask you about the, the natal issue. why is that so difficult for europe and end nato, to compromise on the issue of ukraine as seating to nato. do

it's not that natal wanted to movies. it's the fact that there were countries in eastern part of europe that asked to join nato. so therefore there was an organic expansion. there was no great game plan to us, all of a sudden x and nato's entire frontier east, where it just happened. step by step. as far as for some of these exercises that are russian speakers refer to, i mean, robert, now to another point, most of these project 2014 premier, most of these exercises were notified by both sides quite diligently under the sci fi, conventional forces in europe convention treaty. so everyone knew what everyone was doing, but since then things have become much more ambiguous as both sides try to figure out what the other is doing or the notifications haven't taken place, certainly from the russian side. so you can interpret whether nato is having more aggressive military exercise in the eastern as you like. but i will say one other thing on the propaganda front, or at least on the language that's coming out of russia to, to ch

s. president joe biden is arriving for natal talks. they're going to be talking about the russian invasion of ukraine. they're going to be talking about a variety of different elements of the invasion. mr. biden's meeting on thursday with natal members is also going to be followed by a session with counterparts from the group of 7 industrialized powers and then with the european union. and the last one is gonna include an appearance by president vladimir zalinski of ukraine. that's likely to take place via video link from a key in the capital of ukraine. that discussion is expected to look at ways to further tightened the already severe western economic sanctions on russia that are aimed at fresh arising, the president of russia, vladimir putin, into halting the war. we're waiting for a president biden to step out of the car. it is likely that he is going to make his way up past the gaggle of her press, people who are waiting at the sight of that blue carpet we'll watch as, as that happens. we understand that mister biden is trying to

he wants to see the western, the lines natal, the european union, disjointed, not together. and joe biden, to a large degree when he came into office, said that he wanted to re unite international licenses that had been disrupted by the previous president until degree. he's done that and you can see that in the way that there has been a united response along the way in that sanctions have been imposed almost in unison. because he understood the idea that everyone had to be comfortable with the sanctions. and they all had to go at the same time so that there was no like we actually have a president bind on that right now. and we, by the, by prune was banking on late, obeys, split my early conversation with the new december and early january was clear to me . he didn't think we could sustain this cohesion. nato has never, never been more united than it is to day prudent is getting exactly the opposite, what he intended to have as a consequence of going into ukraine. so, ragna, does it seem like putin has actually made nato closer and stronger than it was before in a way? defin

and there was a chance of, of ukraine being admitted to natal itself is sort of a switching fresh air security concerns. and the most concerns could have been addressed to the war after all, russia is not main lo challenger, the main loan challenger is china, which is seeking to supplant the us as the global hedge of on us as the us already said, sorry to interrupt them, but obviously, the largest on $850000.00 soldiers in the russian army, but european union nations, including germany, ascending in masses of weapons now into ukraine. do you think they think in washington of nato headquarters in brussels at b, a. u parliament in brussels and in strasburg, that ukraine can beat the red army as they pour in these weapons. if not, why would they pour in the weapons? the strategy is very clear now that they persuade not only containment to point all against russia. they also crank to enter their kindness on to point all against russia, just the way they in sneered russian in many poses and the congress done in a ministry quagmire in the 1980s by launching their biggest covert operation in

so today i had the natal summit to her on friday and her in both those meetings. i have clearly stated that we should support your grain. we should continue to brought her also ne dollars should continue to ride the military support ukraine. different types of support. ah, but we will not be part of the conflict. and that these, the native position and i are conveyed that message because i strongly believe that the nature of the comp dialect involved in the conflict. we will see more human suffering, more civilians killed civilians killed. and that's the reason why we need to or to step up support or impulse have his sanctions call of for or shall to engage in the political solution, but not involve natal all remain the responsibility. our court also is to protect and defend 1000000000 people living in 3rd to allied countries. we are doing that by increasing the presence on natal forces or in eastern potted ions, deployed for the 1st time, the nato response force. but you're not going to be portal to conflict with russia in ukraine while our mess i'm at to press t

he woke up the world, the dangers of natal expansionism commentators, even in the us. we can ask whether expanding nato russia borders and thereby prompted russia to re militarize was an american interest. in fact, as you know, the military build up on nuclear waters kept the us on the ropes with bite and wanting for dance on in the nation was coming is sort of suspending that threat. put in decided to execute that even though controlling the outcome of the warm once it was launched is literally impossible. so i think he could have achieved more at sustaining. that's right. this is sort of actually launching the nation. obviously, moscow appears to believe that their course of action is the right ones and risking all is the way forward in the united states thinks that the united states think that there must be, even if it's perhaps risk nuclear war. the ability for ukraine to join nato. that's what the urban union also firmly believes. so, i mean, the point here is the rights of ukraine to be able to join nato at all costs. few believe fewer in nato believe that ukrain

s. forces would not get involved in the fighting in ukraine, which is not a natal member instead, biden promised more sanctions against russia targeting it's oligarchs. anti closed u. s. s. base to russian aircraft. this isn't in to some of biden's address here. put letters attack on ukraine was premeditated and totally unprovoked. he rejected repeated repeated efforts at diplomacy. he thought the western nato wouldn't respond. he thought i could divide us at home in this chamber in this nation. he thought he could divide us in europe as well, but put was wrong. we are ready, we are united, and that's what we did. we stayed united. we prepare extensively and carefully. we spent months building coalitions of other freelance nations in europe, and america for america to the asian and african continents. to confront putin. like many of you, i spent countless hours unifying your, our european allies. we shared with the world in advance. what we knew put was planning and precisely how we would try to falsify and justify his aggression us president joe biden, speaking that and earlier we talk

if russia launched an attack, but a stony m smaller natal member bordering russia, continued to call for the alliance to set up a no fly zone in ukraine. this is the step the alliance has refused to take so far as ukraine is not. and they to a member state. but nato confirmed the sending more troops to the member states bordering ukraine. and russia. you are reinforcing i recollected offence. hundreds of thousands of troops, sir, on a heightened alert, a 100000 troops. sir. u. s. troops in europe and her 40000 troops under nato, a command product to command the most in the eastern part of the line, sir, supported by a naval and air forces, nato has the responsibility to ensure that this crisis do not escalate beyond ukraine. and that's also reason why we have increased the presence in these than pot reliance. i'm a joint bi ukrainian, german writer, katya petrosky. i catch up. you are currently in contact with people and keep you were born and raised there. how concerned are people there about what nato is currently doing? and people are concerned about what pushing is currently doin

ukraine a pulled out rights by providing military equipment and financial on humanitarian assistance. natal score tolorisk is to protect and defend all analysts. we have responded to this crisis. quickly. act the way thing our the fence, dance, racing. i'll redness and deploy the nato response force for the 1st time for collective the fence. there are now hundreds of thousands of forces song heightened the lurch across the lines. one 100000 us troops in europe and their own 40000 troops on the dialect. nathan command mostly in the eastern part of the alliance, backed by major air and naval power. as well as air defenses, the u. s. is currently deploy painted mattress to poland and germany and the netherlands are also deploying patriots to slaughter all of this sense an unmistakable message, an attack on won't i'll, i will be met with a decisive response from the whole alliance rush shelves, invasion of ukraine and its military integration beller, us crates and use security reality on the european continent. so we need to reset nate those minute, our posture for this new reality. to morrow m

so they're not even in natal class because he has put in 6 a go ration the double t, you know, because of this war. i really strongly believe it will be a lot of supporters and you greg will be a member of minister just briefly before we go secretary of state antony blink and said on wednesday that the united states was keeping the door open to diplomatic ways forward with russia do you see any prospect for a face saving off ramp for putting right now? well, no. arms because of ukrainians and so sacrifices. if you want to face saving, he has to figure out how to do this. if he's drug his troops, if he stop the war, yes, they might start to lift maybe some sanctions. but 1st of all, he has to do something because usually with russians, it happens that they speak one and they do something totally different. such type of policies cannot succeed. who could broker deal with russia? excuse me. who could broker a deal with russia right now? well, i think we all stand together, europeans and americans, and actually i'm still looking forward to what will be chinese export. lafayette, deputy pri

as a lensky, the president of ukraine is said he doesn't want to get into natal. i mean, he's not going to go so that any more, that would be a situation which would be good for russia because according to pull, that was the reason they started this. they were concerned about ukraine joining nato. lawrence, j corp, senior fellow at the center for american progress. thank you. thank you for having me take care. well, let's take a look now at some other developments in the war. poland prime minister has called for a complete blockade on all trade between russia and the you are touring a polish miss off factory mateo, my to viet ski and said russian ships carrying russian goods should be barred from entering european c ports and old trade by land band to be 3 ukrainian president devoted to me to lansky has called on the swiss government to freeze the bank accounts of old russian oligarchy. savanski spoke the a live stream to thousands of anti war protestors in the capital of switzerland ban . he criticized the swiss food multinational nestle, which is still operating

members in the nearest and gifts so that we're not even the natal class because he has put in 6 a go ration the double t, you know, because of this war, i really strongly believe it will be a lot of supporters and you greg will be a member of minutes or just briefly before we go secretary of state anthony blink and said on wednesday that the united states was keeping the door open to diplomatic ways forward with russia. do you see any prospect for a face saving off ramp? for putin right now? well, no arms because of ukrainians and so sacrifices. if you want to face saving, he has to figure out how to do this. if he's drug his troops, if he stop the war, yes, they might start to list maybe some sanctions. but 1st of all, he has to do something because usually with russians, it happens that they speak one and they do something totally different. such type of policies cannot succeed. who could brokerage with russia? excuse me. who could broker a deal with russia right now? well, i think we all, if we stand together, europeans and americans, and actually actually i'm still looking forwar

natal members or not they, they share a kind of nervous sense of their cells. this is because they have been losing sovereignty many, many times in their history and regaining. and so those, those fears are about to logics of international order. either we think in the, in the categories of spirits of influence and then we can agree with mr. put in we can say, of course the big countries can decide what the small countries are doing. but if we believe in values like democracy and the rule of law and we also believe in self determination of a given nation. this is what the ukrainians are fighting for, right? they are fighting for the fact that they have been western oozing this society for 30 years. and now they would like to have the fruit. so it, so i, i do understand that, that, that there is this packed, and i, i completely believe mr. blinking. but on the other side, there are also emotions and motivations and politics and international order. so many, many nations, when the, observe what is happening today in ukraine, they say, well, this society would lik

so we, we gave russia really quite a bit of said if i can say so on natal issues and be invited russia to work with us jointly. and we're almost 15 years we worked with russia. ah, it's, and now almost unthinkable. i'm into recall, but i was there, i was part of it and i still vividly recall the many, many issues and which we work with russia am at nato, has never done anything wrong in terms of suggesting to russia that we would either reduce their or ignore their legitimate concerns, by contrast, we invited them to be with us to partner with stephanie, there are some people who would say, i agree with everything you're saying. but in the absence of nato, putin doesn't have the pretext that there would not have been an invasion. absent the pretext of nato and his concerns around nato. what do you make of that? when i suggest it's all part of put it's narrative i, he tried very hard and still is trying, i mean to basically roll back history and interpret everything which i'm talking about the past 20 years as something which ultimately constitutes a threat to what's voucher. and so thi

natal members or not they, they share a kind of nervous sense of their cells. this is because they have been losing sovereignty many, many times in their history and regaining. and so those, those fears are about to logics of international order. either we think in the, in the categories of spirits of influence and then we can agree with mr. put in, we can say, of course the big countries can decide what the small countries are doing. but if we believe in values like democracy and the rule of law, and we also believe in self determination of a given nation. this is what the trainers are fighting for, right? they are fighting for the fact that they have been western icing this society for 30 years. and now they would like to have the fruit. so. so i, i do understand that, that there is this packed, and i, i completely believe mr. blinking. but on the other side, there are also emotions and motivations, and politics and international order. so many, many nations, when the, observe what is happening today in ukraine. they say, well, this society would like to have

so is natal membership for ukraine now completely off the table for ever. that is basically what it sounds like. and as i was pointing out those remarks are by overloading me, zalinski the president of ukraine. really the most explicit acknowledgment that he's at least come out and said in public, or we know, for example, the u. k. a prime minister boss johnson as well, completely took that off of the table to say, it's just not feasible. it's not likely. it doesn't appear that there is going to be a part for ukraine to be joining nato ought to be given nato membership at any time . soon, we are not going to see nato engage on behalf of ukraine in terms of confronting russia directly. not in the way of a no fly zone on ukrainian skies, not in the way of sending troops. western troops add to ukraine, so that is almost a definitive yes at this stage. and there are no indications, no appetite among nato's 30 allies. member states that they would be any ukraine joining the alliance any time soon. didn't respond. christine ones were reported from brussels there.

but we have no plans of deploying natal troops or on the ground in, in the ukraine that i is an agenda. can you comment on each alyssa collins' client and happy birthday for today? thank you and i am, i would very much like to comment on it is roll. it is a highly valued natalia founding member on it least contributing to our collect the defense in many different ways. i will so recently in romania i met italian pilots. they are helping there to keep a nato, a space safe on the on day on day. and they really are so a commitment on the, on the on strengths in their contributions to different st. domitian sound operations including in kosovo where it has been a key ally for many, many years. financial times. yeah, gentleman with glasses. thank you. just to follow up to the question about the piece talks. you said that you're in could you're encouraged by signs and that you support any effort to find a diplomatic solution. could you tell us you seeing any signs on the ground that the russians are genuine in their approach to these piece talks or that they may well just be using them as a

and they're on 40000 troops on the direct natal command back, but major air and naval power. yesterday, the fence ministers started considering what we must do to re enforce our defense and deterrence for the longer term. this would require major increases to defense investments, and germany is leading their way. let the commander for your political courage and determination to commit to investing more than to present or g d p in the fans starting this year. also strongly welcome your government's decision to invest in 5th generation aircraft. this is a storage turning point for you to p and security. and we cannot take peace and security for granted. europe and north america must continue to stand together in nato to protect our peace, our freedom, and our values. so shall shoals that will off. thank once again. i look forward to discussions. ah, no questions, sir. seems to be a preamble before their discussion and maybe we'll hear more what comes out of it. but yen stella book, full, appraised for germany in the way his responded to what he calls vladimir putin is war. talk

but natal will defend natal member countries hit a via transatlantic coordinator for the german government. thank you very much. thank you very much. shlou where i come from. we have to fight for a free press and was born and raised in a military dictatorship with just one tv channel and a few newspapers with official information. as a journeys, i have work on the trip up many cameras, and their problems are always the same. for do socially inequality, a lack of the freedom of the press, a garage would go on the floor to stay silent when it comes to the defense of the humans on seaman whitefield goals, who have decided to put their trust in us. my name is jenny perez and i work at the w ah, making the headlights and what's behind them. dw news africa. the show that faculty issues have been the continent. life is slowly getting back to normally where on the streets to give you enough reports on the inside of our cars. funds is on the ground reporting from across the continent, all the trend stuff. the mazda to u. d. w. news, africa every friday on d. w. with about this issue when i arrived

most likely will doesn't include also a significant increase of the size or the presence of a, the natal multinational forces in east on potter lansing through the, in the polen. okay, we'll go to just from ukraine. gentlemen. okay, we've been watching a nato secretary general yet. stilton barrick, they're ahead of nato's big summit to morrow. who was a outlining the alliances response to russia's invasion of ukraine and setting up that summit which will include the u. s presidential biden and brussels, and he said nato members will redouble their support for ukraine, but that nato membership for ukraine is not on the agenda. let's bring in our nato correspondent terry schultz, who's listening into the press conference for us there in brussels at nato headquarters at terry. tell us what you took away as, as the main points here. well, certainly everything that secretary general stores hamburg has announced, just reminds us how russia has failed in its demands for nato to refrain or to reverse decisions that it has taken in past years. everything is that still timber is talking about is r

there are another element of aggression which is the expansion eastwards of natal. breaking promises made to mikhail gorbachev when the soviet union came to came to an end in positioning. all nato forces miss allison warships around the borders of russia. that is an issue. once we get over that hump over, hopefully of coming to a negotiated solution to this conflict, which is what's needed, then there has to be a discussion about nato expansion. my fear is, is that america has really shifted the agenda in europe over this question. in particular by shifting the german government to a much more aggressive stance to saying it's going to increase its arms expenditure, a long term goal. the americans have achieved by very much corso, to the american agenda and making the german government distance itself from, from russia, which has been a long term trading part. and that is a big success for the americans. and is going to influence how things play out here . because previous to this conflicts, germany, it's an extent france, we're much more skeptical about this new conflict with russia