natalie jackson, attorney for trayvon martin stanley. good to talk to you. everyone heard of the 911 tapes. i want to play the crucial exchange, seems to be center of the case, who was yelling for help. here is the moment on the call. >> so you think he's yelling help? >> yes. >> all right, what is your -- >> then you hear the gunshot at the end. the police officers testified again to they tracy martin, trayvon any father said directly the voice on the call was not his son's trayvon's. today tracy said it didn't happen that way. how did you interpret him taking the stand. help or hurt george zimmerman? >> we thought it helped. we think anyone tells the truth. that is helpful to the case. this case is about transparency getting to the bottom. >> you mean, help, helped trayvon martin's side of the story not george zimmerman? >> yes. helped the prosecution. you have a father who told you the truth. told you exact plea whly happen. he did exactly what all witnesses should do and that's tell the truth. >> the truth as the he said it today. he said look i didn't s

natalie jackson represents the trayvon martin family. mark nejame, criminal defense attorney, and natalie, i want to talk to you about this. you and i, we talked about this during the break. there have been so many fights if you will or tense moments between don west and this judge, judge nelson. how do you think this is playing out with the jurors and you had an interesting perspective on this. >> yeah. i think that -- i understand don's position because i have done criminal defense law and when you represent someone you are very passionate about it and what he has to worry about is you have a jury full of women and they're watching the way he has treated this judge and the attitudes he has given this judge, so i think he needs to watch that aspect just from the legal perspective of the jury, and if they think that he has been disrespectful to the judge. this is her courtroom. this is her domain. >> does it seem like an element of sexism if you have this six women on the jury and looking at this exchange, this dynamic between the two. >

. >>> i'd like to bring in right now martin family attorney natalie jackson. good morning. >> good morning. >> toii want to play more of th compelling interview with the juror who was asked if she thought zimmerman was guilty of something. >> i think he is guilty of not using good judgment. i think george got in deep that he shouldn't have been there but trayvon decided he wasn't going to let him scare him and get the one over, up on him, or something, and i think trayvon got mad and attacked him. >> this juror went on to say that either one could have walked away and that she felt that george zimmerman's voice was clearly heard on that tape. obviously, miss jackson, it looks like she sympathized with the plight of george zimmerman and believed the evidence supported exactly what his story was. your reaction. >> my reaction personally to that there was so many people was wondering if this jury would see trayvon and sympathize for trayvon because they were mothers and see trayvon as their son. i think this jury cleared up the answer at least as to her that she

. >>> i spoke to the attorneys for trayvon martin's family, ben crump and natalie jackson. ben and natalie, that is for joining us, a very difficult morning. as we know trayvon's parents were advised not to attend the reading of the verdict. they were in church yesterday morning. ben, can you tell us how they're holding up this morning? >> you know, after going through just devastation, they were heartbroken because they really wanted the killer of their unarmed son to be held accountable. they went through the grieving process all over again, but they went to church and when they came out of chump, sybrina called me and she said, we are not going to let this verdict define trayvon. we will define our son's legacy. we have a long way to go to make sure this happens to nobody else's child, especially after this verdict. >> and i know that she really wanted to get that message out and that's primarily why she wanted you to be with us this morning. you say you accept the jury's verdict. of course, you do not agree with it. can you elaborate a little more on that, ben? >> certai

. >> let's get some reaction from natalie jackson now. y for the trayvon martin family. natalie, what's your reaction when you heard this juror explain her sense and one of the reasons why she and the others apparently decided that george zimmerman was not guilty? >> i was kind of shocked because i was shocked to hear so much personal opinion as opposed to her -- you know, them looking through the law or saying they were confused with the law. even when asked the question that was just posed, i think her answer was, yes, i think that he was aggressor but said that she thought the roles changed and she wasn't able to explain how the roles changed except trayvon sucker punched george. >> she said she believed it was george zimmerman who was trying out for help, he thought his life was in danger and he shot him. and she went into the jury deliberations convinced that he was not guilty. >> right. and i watched the interview, too. once again, i was just surprised that the amount of benefit that -- when she talks about even rachel jeantel and sh

trayvon's dad, tracy martin, jaharvis fulton, stephanie sands, daron stands, benjamin crump, attorney natalie jacksonbelieve mayor triplet was there and that there may have been one other person. not absolutely sure but i think bonapart was there. >> that's sanford city manager? >> yes. >> was the first time you heard that tape was it played at one time for everybody in the room? >> yes. >> did anyone of those witnesses listen to the tape individually or was it all at one time? >> i don't know if they listened individually but that was my first time hearing it? >> well, had anybody indicated to you in that group they had listened to the tape before? >> no. >> did tracy martin tell you he listened to the tape before? >> no. >> had you had any conversations with him about listening to the tape before that event? >> no. >> imagine that it was probably one of the worst things you went through to listen to that tape? >> absolutely. >> and that if it was your son, in fact, screaming as you've testified that would suggest that it was mr. zimmerman's fault that led to his death, correct? >> correct. >> if it

also, the question i asked natalie jackson, which is, is it naive of me to assume that the police would say this kind of thing primarily because of all the criticism they got after the fact? they didn't charge zimmerman on the night? in other words, this is really corroborating their own positions? >> obviously not the least bit naive, it's a perfect question to ask you, you can say the officers in this case were motivated to make it look like they were making the right decision and decided not to charge. the problem is, if that's what it is, if it's a cover-up, they had all this evidence to present that showed second degree murder and they didn't present, where is that evidence? the prosecution can't produce it, it just doesn't exist, and that clip you just played is crucial. here you have the homicide detective saying, he did what i've done to people before, i used to be a police officer, and you get somebody there, and you think they're lying to you, you make up evidence, your codefendant just confessed and told us he put it all on you, you make up evidence to see if they crack. he m

natalie jackson. this was a false narrative. this had nothing to do with the case.nately, in this country, when people allege racism, they do not need to have proof. it's simply enough to allege and declare whoever it is can be a racist. this person has to defend himself from these charges. what must happen is that if there is a base, a foundation to accuse someone of something, that should be the first step to make such a serious acquisition. it must not be that lawyers simply declare racism and we all accept it. >> something that he said is that he feels that the last name had a lot to do with it. >> do we have the last name sound bite? i would like people to hear that where he talks about the last name. we don't have it. >> yes. basically what he said if the last name hadn't been zimmerman, would have been gutierrez, that state of mind in the people would have been different. the whole dynamic of the case perhaps would have been different. >> what would have been different about it, do you think? people are going to perceive this as, is he saying that just becaus

and miss natalie jackson to two shots fired, a boy pleading for his life and here's another shot, theshot. and people in the media were very complicit -- >> they had witnesses of their own saying who's -- >> no, they went out and said that they heard two shots fired. you know, they did that before we got into a trial. they went out and said, mr. crumb. and miss jackson both, that you hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a boy pleading for his life, and then you hear george execute him or something to that effect. >> but that did not make it into the courtroom. that was not presented to the jury. >> what you're saying is that is not in fact truth and courtrooms have a way of filtering what's actually true. so what they did was they took a false narrative based on untruths and the media ran with it and the media puts them on television and doesn't rebut any of their assertions even when they're caught in their fabrications. >> so are you and your family -- i sense that you're angry at the media. >> i'm not angry at the media. i think the media has to do a better job when you have pe

. >>> joining me is ben crump, the attorney for the martin family, natalie jackson, co-counsel for the martin family. ben crump, you've not been able to talk. we thought you would give testimony. that didn't happen in the end. now you are free to talk. i know you've not been heavily engaged in every day in the court, so you have a more general view. but how do you feel the case has gone? do you feel confident you have proven a case collectively that trayvon martin was murdered? >> piers, you're right, and i'm glad to be free from being sequestered so i can now talk about the case and i've been catching up throughout the day looking at different clips after it was determined the defense was not going to call me to testify. but i've said all along, piers, if the jury follows the evidence, george zimmerman will be held accountable of killing trayvon martin because nothing has changed. george zimmerman followed, profiled, made a decision to get out of his car and chase trayvon martin. the 911 tape, clearly that objective evidence says that the young lady he was talking to on the phone clea

benjamin crump, darrell parks and natalie jackson speaking out, miss jackson becoming very emotionalthe end of what she's talking about. i want to get more reaction now to you as we continue on with this coverage of the zimmerman verdict here. george zimmerman found not guilty just about 10:00 p.m. eastern time. the naacp has responded now to the verdict. and this is from the group's chairman, she says today, justice failed trayvon martin and his family. we call immediately for the justice department to conduct an investigation into the civil rights violations committed against trayvon martin. this case has reenergized the movement to end racial profiling in the united states. this is every president benjamin jealous. he says we are outraged over today's verdict and we stand with trayvon's family and we are called to act. we will pur suf civil rights charges with the department of justice. we will continue to fight for the removal of stand your ground laws in every state and we will not rest until racial profiling in all of its forms is outlawed. we should tell you that tomorrow benj

. >> natalie jackson, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> martha, we'll go on the same subject andrew. i know you are on the record as saying that you believe if not for the department of justice pressure, you don't believe the charges would have been brought against george zimmerman in the first place? >> that's right. progressional investigators decided not to bring charges. we know that the department using the division to a boat anti- zimmerman protest in florida. but the attorney general appeared with a l sharpton on a demonstration of the topic. i think without that pressure, there would not have been the attorney general charges foiled. they didn't want anybody to look at it. >> there is a fascinating thing. you have the white supremacy groups in and around the area. he described him this way. the court is over zealous and having a the hero complex and not as a racist and you have the fbi interviewing dozens other witnesses and they found no basises for this being at all involved about trayvon martin's race. what is the doj helping you uncover? >> the model for looking into thi

attorneys representing the family, the civil attorneys representing the family ben cronk and natalie jackson. >> yes. >> you listened to it at least twice that day. >> correct. . >> it was even played for other family members more often than twice, right? >> i'm not aware of that. >> okay. you don't recall whether or not you listened to it between the first two times you heard it in the mayor's office and your conversation with mr. benitez? >> i don't remember. >> it was, of course, available to you. correct? >> what do you mean? >> well, at that point the city of sanford made the decision to release the calls to the general public, right? >> i don't know. by never had the tapes myself. >> okay. did there come a time in between the first two times you heard it and your conversation with mr. benitez that you wanted to listen to it again but couldn't? >> say it again. >> the two-week period between the first two times you listened to it and the time you talked to mr. benitez during that period of time did you ever ask someone to listen to it again and be denied? >> no. >> in your mind listenin

natalie jackson is a friend. mark o'mara is a friend. we have to all understand that justice is a process. it's not the outcome. we've all seen a very open trial. >> yeah. >> we've seen skilled lawyers on both sides. we've seen people give their best and now we're awaiting a jury verdict. so to suggest that, you know, it's going to be riotous i think is just so offensive and wrong. and let's just hope and listen, you know, what kind of memory would it be to trayvon martin for all those advocates for him. what kind of memory is it that other people get hurt, other people get killed in the event there's an acquittal. on the other side, if, in fact, he's convicted, then people have to simply understand that. and recognize that that's what the jury ruled. >> that's the judicial process. that's what people have said all along, including his family. including most people who have been advocates. if you want to say for the side, for trayvon martin's side, is that what they wanted was for the judicial process to play out. they did not say they w

. >> the people that say it's overblown are jesse jackson, jimmy carter, bill mauer, howard stern. if you think of the list of -- natalie cole, if you think of the list of people who are saying, okay, not great what she said, however, do you lose -- look, if you're -- >> punishment should fit the crime. >> if you're a true hate monger, let's pretend you really, really are a hater, you can actually see that happening. you lose everything because of it, but i don't think there are -- i don't think most people think she's a deep-seeded hater, i think they said she said a few things in her life that she regrets. i don't know. >> it's not as if she's a right wing conservative, though, and the media is after her because of that, because i think she did work for obama's campaign and the last presidential race, i believe. so it's not that. i don't get it. >> seems weird. it does seem weird. it always comes back. every time someone's criticized for doing something in public now, you can't help but compare the two. >> it's just out of control. >>> the other thing that's out of control -- >> what? >> royal baby watching. she's not