joining us are natalie perea from the education policy institute, jules white — headteacher at tanbridge school in surrey. with me in the studio, mary bousted — co—general secretary at the national education union. thank you for coming in with us and to both of you forjoining us. remember the government's �*catch up tsar�*? kevin collins was appointed to coordinate the school his message to the government was: "it'll cost you", up to £15 billion, we're told, to help pupils to catch—up on the learning they've missed. boris johnson balked at that, apparently. in all, the treasury has allocated £3.1 billion — how hard is this process of catch up? it how hard is this process of catch u . ? , , ., how hard is this process of catch u? , y a, ., ~ how hard is this process of catch up? it is very hard, talk about the context, up? it is very hard, talk about the context. over _ up? it is very hard, talk about the context, over a ten year - up? it is very hard, talk about the context, over a ten year period i context, over a ten year period schools have faced pretty serious decline in our resourci