specifically as incest, and novazhonov told me that the members of the reading board for a minute, natalya dordykina, if i remember, she headed the department of literature, this is important, literature, she asked, says colleagues, what is this this is the kind of jew about whom dodolev will write, because he says what kind, she says, well, i see here the author of pre-daleev incest. that's who, who is this incest, what kind of sphere does he come from, that made me very very happy, in principle, uh other members of the editorial board, i pleased, as far as i understand, with my kind of stupidity and uh recklessness, which was uh, in principle, i won’t even say what is inherent in me, but i repeat, i didn’t know that some topics were simply taboo. it was the end of times, that is, the already established system of ageprop and media was collapsing, gorbachev said that everything that was not prohibited then it’s allowed, in fact, i thought, well, why would i write there about this, about that, the topic of kidnapping arose - after my trip to armenia, it wasn’t a business trip, it was just some kind