. >> okay, back with us a cnn political commentator -- political analyst natasha albert, and cnn politicalst john avlon. it's our to know where to start. but i just want to be a little bit more about their relationship because it is fascinating. so that gentlemen says that he met santos in 2014 when, he incels, was 18 years ago. santos was 26 at the time and married to a woman. they moved in together shortly after he graduated high school. the relationship broke, down and he became increasingly suspicious of santos who said that he was going to take him to hawaii and propose. he says that santos eventually sold his phone. what a love story. >> listen, let's take the grieved ex-boyfriends account with a grain of salt. >> in fairness to mr. santos. >> i just feel like maybe not the best character witness, or maybe he is the best characters, i'm not sure. but without his account, there are 100 stories that this is bonkers. and you have to wonder if there's something wrong with them, i do not know that answer. but i'm pretty sure there's something wrong because it's not just all of the lies th