do you feel that, way natasha alford?nk there's a difference between poor execution and the principal and intent behind what we are trying to do. i agree, who is the sierra club to sort of dictate our language. but i don't think that is actually happening. and so i wonder how many of these groups that are making an attempts, maybe they are influenced by some extreme consultant group that they have hired, actually are speaking for the communities that feel they are affected. but what i don't like is when people use their poor execution of a few to then throw the baby out with the bathwater and say, oh, just throw away all of this effort to try to be inclusive, to try to be thoughtful. it is really used as an excuse to not engage by people who are unwilling to change. >> can i -- a little bit? because i, for lack of a better term, kind of hated the article. precisely because it conflated the two points which i think you just made. you said at the top, right, there is a finger wagging and there's a sense that, like, you suck

. >> okay, we've got a lot to talk about tonight, so here is, me the star, natasha alford, a man who loves a good talking heads, reference david urban, an attorney who knows a lot about trouble, and the summit series host at the very serious podcast, barrel. thanks so much for having you here. >> so, let's do this thought exercise that i've been doing all day, about this possible trump a diamond, as i want to hear all your thoughts on this if this were a regular person, if this were any of us and we had paid a hush money payment, to someone that we had had an alleged tryst with, and we basically falsified our internal business records. with the manhattan da been indicting us. -- >> you have to make the payments to your false find the records to see new taxes. >> you're making a leap, because the actual charge isn't that trump did today's taxes, it was internal records. >> no, the internal records were used to pay the tax returns. >> so by creating those internal records, that's what she did the arrest. it's also the internal records of the trump organization, the related to the finan

cupp, patrick mcenroe and -- natasha alford. is anti-wokeness jumping the shark?ng else is woke? it's a link, teaching black history's book, gender issues are woke, diversity is woke. disney's woke. now the environment is woke? >> have you noticed this pattern, it has three letters all of a sudden, you can re-branded so crt, esg, this effort to again to control the narrative and hope that your audience doesn't understand the nuance. you pick this law that's really wonky and specific. as long as you can tie it to wokeness people just say this is a problem. it's interesting, senator mark warner when he was defending the biden position, he was saying there are senators who don't even know how to read a balance sheet who are somehow against this approach to investment. so, it speaks to this larger culture war approach, is it really about what is best for american society? considering environmental issues in your investments, the biden administration is not legislating that, they're just saying you have a right to choose that. when climate change hits, and the business

and the always compelling natasha alford.aw enforcement and intelligence analyst miller joins us from d.c., with all he has learned about the kidnap americans today. john, i'll start with you. so frightening to hear what they endured and what they went through. do you have new information on what happened to them? where they fired on immediately from a distance? or the drug cartel pulled him over and interrogate them? do we know what happened there? >> so, it looks like the drug cartel used what we in law enforcement would've called a vehicle interdiction technique. they tried to, you know, block them, pull them over, when the wind stop, we have a car that blocks them from the front they collide with. and then they opened fire. you know, when you look at the pictures of that fan, you see the bullet hole in the driver side front window. you see the bullet hole just below the window in the door. you see another in the back of the van. the passenger window is raked out. the tires have been shot out in the rear. so, they meant to