we had nate jackson on last hour.want to play a part of what he had to say, his take on the nfl's reaction to the situation. >> there's a lot of things coming out not only about the locker room stuff but about the health of the players, about former player struggles, about the head injuries, and the nfl is scrambling to improve their image on all fronts. so when a negative story comes out, the nfl is on top of it with press releases and things of that nature. and i think we should take it all with a grain of salt and understand that they have a bottom line that they are protecting and they're worried about negative press. >> so the bottom line, the cash involved with the nfl. omar, do you agree with what nate jackson is saying there about how this incident may reveal other secrets leaking from the locker room? >> well, definitely. i think it basically exposes the locker room culture, which i think most people realize wouldn't be acceptable in mainstream society or any job -- any corporation. but to say that the nfl is

nate jackson is a former nfl player and author of "slow getting up, a story of nfl survival from thehe pile." good to see both of you, good morning. as we wait to see what the nfl finds out from its investigation, i know you've had your own dealings with richie incognito, in fact you called him a fake tough guy, one of the dirtiest if not the dirtiest players around. what were your encounters with him like? >> well, it was tough, you know, because out there it's a brotherhood. we were out there competing against each other but at the end of the day we're all part of the same elite fraternity and there's certain things that are not allowed when playing against each other. eventually with free agency, eventually those guys can become your teammates. some of the things that he did i felt like wasn't in the best interests of the game or the fraternity of being a professional football player. >> we only know what we've heard so far. we haven't really heard both sides of the story fully, although we have incognito saying that basically he's a good guy, he's not a racist. but what's your ta

. >> omar, a former denver player, nate jackson, wrote about how rookies were hazed when he was therening camp. quote, rookies get it the worst because they must be initiated. shower check rook. that means you have to give up your shower head even if you're soaped up. seat check, stand up, give me your seat, get another one. how much do we know about how much this is happening and in how many nfl locker rooms? >> yes, it's indeed part of the culture of the nfl and in fact it's part of the culture in college as well. back when i covered the university of miami for a rookie to be accepted. he had to completely shave his head. certainly that's changed over the years, but in the nfl locker room, you know, two years ago they started rookie dyeing their hair, shaving patches into their hair, giving guys checkered hair cuts. you know, caleb sturgis, the kicker for the dolphins this year his hair was dyed platinum blonde and he was given a miley cyrusesque haircut. this is just part of the course of what is acceptable in the nfl culture. they say it's a rite of passage of the young players. a

mat's lawyer is saying his clie indured tauntg that went beyond hazing nate jackson is an -nfl player and e offer of "slow getting up" a story of nfl survival from the bott of the pi. nice to haveou both bus. good moing. >> good morning. >> markgive us a sense. as we heard martin's lawyer is saying thi wt far beyond. is there a different defition of hazing versus bullying withi the nfl and, if , how doe it differ what we would perceive on the outside? >> fro the outside, a lot of this behavior looks ouageous. i think from the inside, inside an nfl locker room, there are certain rules and there is a code about what is acceptabl and what is not. rookies get hazed. theyave to carry pads and luggage and things like that for veterans. what we are hearing in this case seemto have gone beyon that code and beyond t normal periods that a rookie would have to deal with this stuff. so its looksike jonathan martinust reached a breaking pot. >> so, nate, in your experience, you spent six yearsithhe denver bronc. you've been in thoseocker oms. you were a rkie at one pot. from what you' heard and se