let's get reaction from nathan law, he is one of student leaders of the umbrella movement in 2014 andmain leader of the latest protests. does that satisfy you, what carrie lam had to sayjust a couple of hours ago in a press conference?” think carrie lam has to clarify whether she means that the bill is dead is equivalent to the bill is withdrawn because when you are talking about withdrawal because there is a proper procedure in terms of what to do in the legislative council. the government should put forward a motion saying they will withdraw the proposal instead of waiting for it to die. i think a withdrawal is the demand of the people. if carrie lamb is wise enough, she should say those words and do what they need to do in accordance to the house procedures —— carrie lam. accordance to the house procedures -- carrie lam. it is interesting you say that because we wonder why she hasn't used that word. she says it is, "dad". it is a," totalfailure". "it is, "dad". it is a," totalfailure". ——it is dead. she stopped short of saying it is withdrawn. hong kong has a tendency of having wor