earlier i spoke to y'all, nathan shapiro. he's a former israeli rescue helicopter pilot, who himself was discharged from the all me back in 2003, then organizing a group of 4th pilots who were publicly refusing to obey orders and participates in the oppression of palestinians. he says he is ready, governments military strategy is counter productive. i think this frustration is not just the frustration of these pilots is the frustration affair of a giant beast that is them mold t, as superpower that has no limit to their weaponry and their strength. and military strength, but it's just impossible to kill the desire of millions of people to be free. there are lots of life that the leaders and the commanders and the pilots and all the soldiers are telling themselves. it's a big consent manufactured by a big, big system for years and years and decades to plant these ideas in the minds of people that you can bump people from the air. you can bomb buildings from the air in the most densely populated, placing the world. and in some

nathan shapiro. he is a former israeli rescue helicopter pilot, who himself was discharged from the all me back in 2003 for organizing a group of air force. pilots who publicly refuse to obey orders and participate in the continued oppression of palestinians in our lives in norway and joined us from other notice. and thanks for being with us. i just the context. i want to start by asking you why you actually decided to organize this campaign over the years ago. while it was 2003, then the after serving as a rescue pilot. for many years, i find that he opened my eyes during the 2nd intifada. seeing the horrible life of politicians and realizing that i'm basically fighting for the wrong side, i decided that i'm not just going to leave and find solution for myself. but i organized the air force pilots from all different squadrons. in these are the force attack apache by the f. 16 at 16 old branches of the air force we managed to convince even very high rank brigadier general fighter pilot and we publicl