i think the first person to say that would be nathaniel branden himself. who has put much retracted a lot of what he taught people in his nbi lectures and has describing his later career, as depended for that and to help heal people from some of the attitude he feels he encouraged them to adapt. >> right there. >> in the back row there. the back row of the section. >> al milliken, a.m. media. what did whittaker chambers considered the wickedness of atlas shrugged when he wrote about the book in the national review? >> you know, the real wickedness was rands atheism which was a huge preoccupation of chambers. he had been a communist in the 1920s. he had been a spy. he had been close enough to the communist party to know people who were purged and murdered. and he ultimately chose to interpret this communism, most famously, as man without god. and therefore, man needed god, and without god, man became convinced of his own powers and created despotic schemes like communism. so when he looked at rands fully integrated philosophical system, he saw the same thin