and can -- it's important to maintain that conservatism. >> nathaniel green if we were to put an array of historical figures on money start from scratch would andrew jackson be among the handful of historical citizens to be on the currency? >> i don't think we would agree on the one hand i think andrew jackson, i think when people think about andrew jackson serge he did oppose paper money and the central bank. what americans think about when they think about him is andrew jackson as the embodiment of this frontier individualism this rough and tumble individualism. and that's still a very, very powerful image in our collective consciousness for better and for worse. on the other hand, there are other presidents that i think take up an even larger space in our collective imagination. that either aren't on our money or are relegated to that level of on security. >> briefly we heard douglas mudd talk about what it tells the world when people look at your money. not only here but other places on the planet. what does it tell you if you look at our money and you see no women, no people of co

nathaniel green too, when you're covering the south. the fighting quaker, one of the great oxymorons of all time. [laughter] buried right here, a few blocks from us. i'm a huge nathaniel green fan. but washington you get a lot about george washington. then you get, then you have a couple days or one day when you're talking about the confederation. you talk about the utter collapse of the con confederation how everything's going to hell in a handbasket, how the states are falling apart, the frontier's being lost as i mentioned between the friend and the british and the spanish vermont is actively conspiring to join british canada, a debtors' insurrection in massachusetts, the property rights are in danger in georgia and in rhode island where they're printing paper money like it's going -- like they would have done in greece when they can, when they can print the drachma, and you have this massive inflation that's draining property rights, new york's exporting all its taxes into connecticut and new jersey like they'd like to do today if t