do you agree with that, natia? a crisis. l agree with that, natia? a crisis.putin i agree with that, natia? a crisis. | yes, absolutely. i think putin has grown incredibly insecure. especially of course this incident that happened that we have seen for the past 48 hours adds up to this insecurity, for sure. putin created this system and the environment in which there is no opposition leader, opposition leaders were forced into exile or as you know, alexei navalny is in jail. exile or as you know, alexei navalny is injail. in that exile or as you know, alexei navalny is in jail. in that sense, exile or as you know, alexei navalny is injail. in that sense, it is hard to imagine any sort of succession process.- hard to imagine any sort of succession process. what does this instability mean _ succession process. what does this instability mean for— succession process. what does this instability mean for the _ succession process. what does this instability mean for the wider- instability mean for the wider region? instability mean for the wider reuion? ., ., ., .,

we'rejoined now by natia seskuria, an associate fellow at the royal united services institute, also knowntry of defence. he has been quite vocal, criticising the leadership, but not vladimir putin actually _ leadership, but not vladimir putin actually. this has been an exception because _ actually. this has been an exception because he's criticism was always concentrated on the russian defence ministry. _ concentrated on the russian defence ministry, the head of the defence ministry— ministry, the head of the defence ministry and the head chief of the general— ministry and the head chief of the general staff. of this escalation that we — general staff. of this escalation that we have been looking out for the past — that we have been looking out for the past couple of hours is quite extraordinary because this goes beyond — extraordinary because this goes beyond the criticism and the rhetoric _ beyond the criticism and the rhetoric that has been voiced by prigozhin — rhetoric that has been voiced by prigozhin for many months and he actually— prigozhin for many months and he actually threate