and at national archives. all they have to do is look night. >> sebelius came out with a stanlt saying she's been to the white house countless times, is frequently at the white house for meetings including dozen was the president last year, she met with the president last thursday. what do you think is going on here, mark? they try to tap down the story. another person says look, i will personally attest i have been in several meetings with miss sebelius and the president. but why don't they say all right we'll check the logs and she's been there 60 times, your theory is that she hasn't been there enough. is the president too engaged? or kathleen sebelius not doing her job? >> if he met with her dozens of times why did he say it's going to work like amazon? he didn't know. so if he was meeting with her, she wasn't telling him the truth. but other thing is that this is what the report that has been put out by the government accountability institute shows that there are 277 meetings recorded by department of ene

so when my case, i spent a lot of time at the national archives, library of congress and carl, pennsylvania, which is a fabulous archive. a key with the british national archive is and probably a couple dozen other places. and then you've got to do with the secondary material. i mention the 60,000 votes. you feel obliged to release waved a hand over a good portion of the end in many cases to get down into them because there's fabulous works there. i put it all and every piece of information that i come up with goes into a word file. the word files are kept in my own filing system. i deal with the documents when it comes time to write and then i write and extrude or the detailed outline. i use outlining software, which is the greatest invention since the pile. and i build an outline and yelling for this third and final volume is about 700,000 words long. it's more than twice as long as the book sells. but it acts not only as a roadmap to tell me where in going when i sit down to write, but also tells the world information has come aware different files it is. so then i'm ready to write and i

these extraordinary transcripts of those oral histories are in the national archives. there's hundreds and hundreds have been, from all major actions, particularly late in the war. so there's that. and then there are many, many other contemporaneous archival records of one sort or another that allow you not to rely on 70-year-old memories. as much as i admire what you and others do now, sometimes you try to tease out that little and joked that he would never get anywhere else by some guy telling you in 2013, even though it may have happened in 1843. i'd rather go back to 1943 myself. >> yes, i read extensively about world wars one and two and thank you for greatly enriching the library. it always astonishes me our capacity to do harm to ourselves. my wife always wonders why i immerse myself in this ongoing horror story. my question is, you spend a lot of time reading about what we do to each other in a graphic way. i'm curious how that affects you, how that changes your view of humanity. >> that's a tough question. i've been living with the greatest catastrophe in human

eventually at the national archives. all they have to do is look into it. >> ms. sebelius had a statement tonight saying she's been to the white house countless times since becoming secretary. she's frequently at the white house for meetings relating to obama care including dozens with the president in the last year alone. she met with him last thursday. but they don't get more specific. what do you think is going on here? they tried to tamp down the story. some other person on capitol hill said, look, i will personally attest that i have been in several meetings with ms. sebelius and the president. so we don't know who is telling the truth and who's not. why wouldn't they just say, all right, we checked the outer oval logs. she's been there 60 times. your theory is she hasn't been there enough and it speakses to a narrative of president obama being disengaged or kathleen sebelius not doing herb job? >> could be either. if the president of the united states met with kathleen sebelius dozens of times leading up to the roll out of obama care why did he say it would

my love list on tuesday that the national archives tried it for crimes committed gay and peace nineteen seventy one liberation war was handed out the central prison on thursday night. my legs hanging to get protests across pakistan to act in a sense of what is the proper sense or not it's not me as much as information about the taxi protesting its honesty is hanging. given that we got the deal the baby johnny it for good idea given a given his id gotti it making it the hegemony jay given that the gentiles so that didn't happen this time back. sectarian tensions have been focused on once again funding the killing of a shiite cleric. i nominate see the bias that he had often even if i speak i e defy the outward show about unknown gunmen date on sunday embarks on its eastern city of the heart. at least a polite distance to the streets and staged a sit in outside the governor's house. she on the stage make up about twenty percent off box and one e t b in opposition. when it had that shiites have been getting targeted attacks since the beginning of twenty two of inkling of awful and that the

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we were the first cameras allowed into the national archives after 9/11. tombve been underneath the of the unknown soldier. we met the guards, we tell the story of the men that do that duty. reading rainbow has always been famous towards the all access backstage experience of life as it relates to the literature that we read. we always connect the real world for kids to let them know that nothing is beyond their limits. tavis: your audience is considerably younger. there is a movie out now getting controversy because of some sex scenes between these young kids. you know the controversy that exists about this film and whether or not kids ought to go see this movie where two young girls are lovers. we live in a world where kids and young people are exposed to more now than ever before. your age bracket couldn't see this movie even if they wanted to, but i am getting to a point. as you curate material for the kids, how do you go about knowing what is appropriate for kids in this era? does that make sense? >> it absolutely does. i am writing my first book to c

he gave that speech at the national archives. this has obviously accelerated the debate.presidential advisory committee, recommendations have begun to leak out. so ultimately, i do think there will be reforms. but here is how i think the administration views this. you talked about the fighter jets moment. there were 1.7 million classed documents taken by edward snowden and may or may not have been shared with the chinese and with the russians. no matter what you think of snowden himself, here is the question. if somebody who is about my age, the right person to make the call about opening up that classified information, opening up these discussions, he's -- >> i guess the question is whether or not he's a whistleblower is really fraught one, richard. certainly this ruling does much to support the idea that what the government has been doing is wrong. whether or not snowden is the right person to do it, is that the determining factor. well, your thoughts. >> this is a bush appointee, this judge who said this is almost certainly unconstitutional. by the way, didn't just tak

. >> but up next, the national archive celebrates the opening of its new gallery with a display of aninal document that inspired the u.s. constitution. and don't forget, we are always on at wusa9.com and the wusa9 app. stay with us. at h.h. gregg's countdown to christmas sale you'll save up to 25% on appliances, electronics, furne iturand more. 32-inch led tvs. now $179. 55-inch led tvs. $499. save 1000 dollars on stainless steel samsung french door refrigerators. and android tablets start at just 49 dollars! get the gifts you want... ... from the brands you trust at the h.h. gregg countdown toch ristmas sale >>> a new museum gallery at the national archives is likely to draw big crowds this holiday season. a new permanent exhibit called the records of right features the only original copy of the magna carta in the u.s. philanthropists donated $13.5 million. the magna carta was the first english charter to directly challenge the british monarch. >> from a priceless document to a priceless discovery. someone in maryland went home with a christmas tree, but left something much more valu

i also had marvelous results in my research at the national archives, the library of congress. the stories i was telling about the messages that were intercepted by ambassador oshima i managed to track down at the national archives. i don't think they'd been looked at very much or at all since that time. that was very rewarding for a researcher. c-span: well, o--one of the things you have listed is ps--and you have the little designation so you can tell where something's coming from--'psf, president's secretaries file, roosevelt library.' have a lot of people mined that file? >> guest: certain areas, things have been mined rather heavily. but there--there are always fresh revelations that--that--that astonish me. for example, there was some suspicion that an economist by the name of lachlan curry, who was an--a utility infielder for president roosevelt, took on--undertook many trusted missions--there was some suspicion about his--his loyalty, and i'm plowing through the archives at hyde park, and i find that lachlan curry was the white house man tracking the development of the

wallet they're all being publicly displayed here for the very first time they're alone from the national archives and they really tell an extraordinary story of his apprehension in the texas theater. called poorest of them feeling old and then his wallet is extraordinary i think because think about your own wallet and what it tells about you well this tells a big story about lee harvey oswald as well and this is old ball can be when you this is about yeah this is how reporters covered those four days that really shook the world from the assassination as you remember the capture of oz well the shooting of officer tippit the capture of oz well and then the first live broadcast murder on national television when ruby shot oswald that sunday. so this is all through the lens of the reporters who covered it it's really extraordinary to spend one of the most popular exhibits this year and here the famous roberta story right this is abraham zapruder film the assassination of president kennedy with this home movie camera this that's the camera that is the camera that he used to film was probably the most

i'm fortunate because i live in washington and i have access to the national archives which has a lot of the military records that was so important in pulling this story together. i also had the chance to go to london and work at the national archives, and they have incredible information about the british intelligence service and the amazing heroes who are part of this rescue saga. >> did you talk to any i guess survivors? >> there is one survivor. he is 91, lives in an assisted living home in bedford oregon. wonderful man. he spent several hours with me over the telephone, just a terrific -- and, of course, the kids and grandkids of all the survivors want very much for the story to be told. they could not have been better. really fun to work with and a lot of them had wonderful old photographs and different mementos that have been kept in the attic or down in the basement for years, and they were thrilled to pull them out. >> do you have your next project lined up? >> i think i would like to stay with world war ii but we will see what happens. happens. >> thanks for your time. >> th

>> guest: the national archives. i went to the national archives on saturday and i'd think it is one of the most exciting places we have in this city so i had lots of fun. >> host: we concede the declaration of independence? >> guest: they are just opening up magna carta today, yesterday. i would go see the magna carta, the foundation of democracy. >> host: your favorite place here? >> guest: probably my favorite place is -- >> host: name of place you like, doesn't have to be your favorite. >> guest: suite greens. >> host: what do you get there? >> guest: i like the tail salad with chicken. too much information. >> host: we are here. would like to thank c-span, our viewers around the world, those watching in live stream land, i thank my political colleagues who worked so hard on this event, bank of america for making this series of conversations possible, all of you for coming out so early and thank you for a fantastic conversation. thank you very much. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [

well, there are a whole bunch of them, and we have managed to get all of them out of the national archives. we have subjected them through a wonderful firm, some of the best sound analysts in the world. they do a lot of work for the pentagon and others. we subjected them to add tasks that have never been done before we have been able to extract more information from them, more lines of dialogue. in fact, we get a transcript of 30,000 words of that date and have enhanced the sound quality, all of which we're going to release on an ad, a summary that is in the book. now, let's get to the key one. a key one was recording at police headquarters at 1230 on november 22nd. the committee head some sound analysts at the time using accepted methods for 1979, not to criticize them. they came back and said, we find for impulses in that 1230 times on of gunfire, four impulses that are clearly, they said, to a 95 percent probability, gunfire. well, four gunshots, as you set correctly, means a conspiracy because wycherley everyone -- nobody can fire. exactly. it is not possible. oslo can only squeeze off

. >> they usually go to the state department or the national archives.s, they often turn up at presidential libraries. they are not owned by the president or first lady. >> one statement that the president and first lady can make is by who they did not invite. one person they did not invite was joe mccarthy. >> actually, mrs. mccarthy was invited to tea and receptions. she did not attend. >> what is a significance of that? >> she was making a political statement on her husband's behalf to not cross the door into the white house. >> some people do not know who joe mccarthy is. a quick snapshot of who he is. >> he was -- he was the senator that went after so-called communists in government positions. it was a salem witch-hunt. they saw communists under every desk. he went after all kinds of people. people who were supposed to have had some kind of affiliation with the communist party or a communist party front. he went after all kinds of people that were supposed to have had some affiliation with the communist party or a communist party front or someone wh

false flag provocation to start to do it for this we're special to try to expose this to national security archives putting out great documents about these things so people know some of this but it's at the heart of our story because we're telling the other side of american history the dark side all the intervention is the assassinations the dirty tricks the psychological warfare the torture of don't forget the arrogance it's behind and that you have those two atomic bombs and you're able to drop them on japan and get away with it successfully by calling it a moral victory and say that it ended world war two then you adopt the attitude that because you want you were right and because you're right you're good that's what follows so therefore you create your own moral code oh i love i love the series because i think a recurring theme is the atomic bomb not only the dropping of the bombs but the way that we were able to use that leverage almost just the world feared us to tell them about the things we. we used atomic bombs twice but we shows that the united states has used the top of bob's repeatedly

>> i like the national archives. i went there on saturday and i think it is one of the most exciting places that we have in this the. city.-- in this i have lots of fun there. they are just opening the magna carta today. i would go see the magna carta, the foundation of democracy. >> what is your favorite place here? isprobably my favorite place -- >> just name a place that you like. >> sweet dreams. that's what you get there? >> i like the kale salad with chicken. that is too much information, right? [laughter] like to thank c- span, our viewers around the world, and those of you who are watching. i would like to thank my politico colleagues and i would like to thank america for making this a serious conversation possible. thank you for a fantastic conversation. [applause] >> think you so much. -- thank you so much. >> on the next washington journal, the budget deal and the 2014 defense or grams will be the topics of discussion. will be at the harvard institute for politics to talk about a recent poll they conducted

i wish you well in your task in your task and on that note, i from the alan lowe national archives administration and the bush center staff who are here. godspeed in your mission to enliven this history for the purposes of tomorrow's problem solving. serving the white house was clearly one of the high privileges of my life. that is one thing that each of us share on the panel. when i was invited to serve as the third director, i went to the rector one and two before i sat in the chair to ask for the council. the generosity sustained me through my time in office and thepre-even in fellowship that those of us at this table enjoyed for the first couple of hours before joining you this evening was worth the price of admission. we have shared a common bond. having said that, it is really important, i think, for all of us in this room to acknowledge that we were the hired help. it wasn't our ideas that mattered. it was the counsel the provided the president we served. it was the execution of the ideas that we were a part of. it wasn't about us. having said that, let me also acknowledge that there were

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i wish you well in your task in your task and on that note, i recognize alan lowe from the national archivestration and the bush center staff who are here. godspeed in your mission to enliven this history for the purposes of tomorrow's problem solving. serving the white house was clearly one of the high privileges of my life. that is one thing that each of us share on the panel. when i was invited to serve as the third director, i went to the rector one and two before i sat in the chair to ask for the council. the generosity sustained me through my time in office p and eventd the pre- fellowship that those of us at this table enjoyed for the first couple of hours before joining you this evening was worth the price of admission. we have shared a common bond. having said that, it is really important, i think, for all of us in this room to acknowledge that we were the hired help. it was not our ideas that matter. it was the counsel that we provided the presidents we served. it wasn't our ideas that mattered. it was the counsel the provided the president we served. it was the execution of the id

recognizete i wrote the national archives director, the bush center staff who are here. serving the white house was clearly one of the high privileges of my life. that is one thing that each of us share on the panel. when i was invited to serve as i went todirector, the others to ask for their counsel. event fellowship that those of us at the table enjoyed was really worth the price of admission. that, it is really important to ignore knowledge that we were the hired help. it wasn't our ideas that mattered. it was the council we provided, the presidents we served, the execution of those ideas that we were part of. let me also acknowledged that there were hundreds of staff over the past dozen years that have served that cause. were men and women that were brought to washington not because they were looking for a job title but because of their idealism and and their commitment to cause. to unpack during this whole history exercise that you are performing here. when president bush announced the initiative and named john as i was serving as president of the think tank in ind

i wish you well in your task in your task and on that note, i recognize alan lowe from the national archives administration and the bush center staff who are here. godspeed in your mission to enliven this history for the purposes of tomorrow's problem solving. serving the white house was clearly one of the high privileges of my life. that is one thing that each of us share on the panel. when i was invited to serve as the third director, i went to the rector one and two before i sat in the chair to ask for the council. the generosity sustained me through my time in office p and there-even in fellowship that those of us at this table enjoyed for the first couple of hours before joining you this evening was worth the price of admission. we have shared a common bond. having said that, it is really important, i think, for all of us in this room to acknowledge that we were the hired help. it was not our ideas that matter. it was the counsel that we provided the presidents we served. it was the execution of the ideas that we were a part of. it wasn't about us. having said that, let me also acknowle

in 2011, the obama holder justice department received a mock award from the nonpartisan national security archive which said that the d.o.j. had shown the -- quote -- "worst open government performance" of any federal agency that year. this is the agency that's supposed to enforce the freedom of information laws, and it was recognized as demonstrating the -- quote -- "worst open government performance of any agency that year. among other things, the department of justice was cited for its mistreatment of whistle-blowers and its efforts to undermine freedom of information law. speaking of whistle-blowers, we know that the state department has also punished u.s. diplomats for cooperating with congressional investigators looking into the september 2012 terrorist attack that killed four americans at benghazi, libya. you know, this is so outrageous that it bears recall that susan rice, the president's u.n. ambassador, showed up at, on five, i believe it was, sunday morning talk shows and claimed that the attack at the american consolate in benghazi that took the life of four americans was precipitated

archives from all across the government. the intelligence community, department of defense, national security counsel, state department, obviously, and man dates that we try to publish this material within 30 years of the events as they occurred. and we're very good at every part of our mandate except the 30 year part. our hawaiians, we have 20 of them go to the presidential library and the various archive and different agencies. amass the material, come back and select from among thousands of documents they come up with. the generally 350 that tell a narrative of the development and execution of policy. then it goes, again, within the office through an editorial process two different levels of edit. once it's cleared up who had the extremely complicated and granular task of coordinating declassification across the different agencies and the intel community. department of defense. once it's taken care of. we send it to the editors. we have about six editors on staff here. they are what i call the goal keeper for quality. one of the aspects of the program that surprised me when i got here, which was a couple of years ago. i used

archived getting ideas. when there's a whole binder on mules, okay, mules. utility for him to realize how much they would bring up mortar a nationnd all kinds of things. so it gave me ideas looking at those archives. the other thing i did when i was in london, i sat down with a world war i historian named julian, and the sort of answer a lot of questions i had about, you know, the small detail that the question get when you're drawing you can think how exactly did they give -- how exactly did it over the top? that's the images of people going out all at once. which is a really typical. normally they would go up a ladder because they have to get through a little bit of barbed wire. they had to go up over the top through certain areas. he explains a lot of that sort of stuff to me. so those were my sources. plus, osmosis. because i've been reading about the first world war. it's sort of sunk into my head now. >> a related question. i was interested more in the drawing techniques and immediate, and also how you came to decide on this accordion fold book section. >> i will credit my editor with that because he is the one who suggest

archive shows too. there's a couple of nonprofits and most of you remember the horrific murder in 1998. the nationaledia covered it and the trial was a hate crime. investigative journalist spent 30 years traveling to 20 states and interviewed more than 100 witnesses about the murder. here to talk about the results

national film registry. among the films a film about, and made in san francisco. >> the movie is being reserved by san francisco bay area television archives the film case based on a poem by robert louis stevenson made by frank stow. well, he introduced art in cinema series. poppins, pulp fiction and the right stuff. >> all good movies. >> let's focus on the weather. mid week another fairly mild day. felt it was cooler outside >> you were right. we saw a change in weather patterns we're expecting good air quality into thursday. here is live doppler seven hd. cloud cover and moisture into clouds. taking a look at wind gusts starting to pick up in the hills. you can see gusts 23 at oakland hills and only going to get moderate for the bay area. once again we'll see a change in the weather. you can see a glimpse of the sunsetting. view. low to mid-50s across the bay area. one last view, i know it's hard to see now. dark up there they're going to be seeing windy conditions and snow. gusty overnight. milder weather. here is a look at pacific satellite and picture. it's going to bring us cooler weather. around monterey bay. sprinkles and winds co

national library of korea to open on thursday afternoon. the guy every step to becoming its first special aching government parties archives and the related documents he's also expected to offer and would include jordanian with the citizens of this new ot loss from the cd. i need and use his job the government is regressing to implement its part time job scheme to meet president packer has pledged to boost the nation's implement from its current sixty four percent to seventy percent by year twenty seventy. well the plan aims to boost the productivity of the workforce and offer more flexible work options. they are living doubts as to whether the plant goes to the root of the problem. our team gm is here with us in the studio. good evening tea and so what kind of jobs are we talking about it. well the stance that biden is the labor ministry and also how flexible part time selected john. these are different from conventional parking cars in terms of job security and benefits for press even more importantly in amount of pay only part time as in kearney are temporary workers in nothing more than an hour in the week usually something close to the middle

i've been to 365 archives in 50 states and nine nations.e has seen everything that is horrible to see about democracy and poverty and discrimination. she never gave up. she went in when people were trying to kill her. they disparaged her husband, mocked her children, and hit her income. she believed in democracy and the promise of america and the promise of human rights so profoundly that she risked everything she had to try to make us get there. i think that showed undaunting and fierce courage. >> that and civil rights. we had a wonderful call a minute ago of her going to georgia and sitting next to two african-americans and that kind of setting and how backwards we were on race relations in america, '30s and '40s. her voice on a national level and started bursting through. she has the place of honor in the civil rights movement. she cared about equality. >> finally, on our website, c-span.org/first ladies, we have a companion book available for this series. alita black worked hard on that book. and it's available to you as well, at cost.

nation's past. but an unsolved murder case in louisiana has pushed some to seek results. 50 years later. >>> the archivesof this newspaper are a window into this small town's past but among these dusty yellow pages there are stories some people would like to forget. >> this is september three months before frank died and this was his advertisement, he ran it almost every week. >> the man who died almost 50 years ago was frank morris. who ran a shoe shop. he was well liked, and his white customers would often let their children play inside his shop. that was enough for the ku klux klan to target him. >>> his business was set on fire, and he was last seen running from the corner of the of his building with his clothes on fire. four days later he died from his burns. all facts that weren't clear until stanley nelson spent years investigating frank morris's death. he talked to witnesses and went through old police reports. what he found shocked him. >> the more you dug, the more you realize there were some really bad people here. what happened then were happening now, well, the murders and beatings and whipp

chair of the united nations, which is how he invited adlai stevenson to sort of help spread rationality by stanley would've caught it. it was so fascinating to go through his archives because you can see the anguish he felt that what was happening in his city and the efforts he was making to change things. he sent a letter to the publisher of the "dallas morning news" who is close to having comics and why he thought the paper was contributing to this climate of absolutism and where it was during the. we also saw the matters of immigration and arcus in the early 1960s was segregated just like every other local place in dallas. stanley marcus had to be careful about not getting too far to the city. behind the scenes you can see him pushing everyone else to move towards integration. i would also just mention quickly that lyndon johnson and saving america's supposed civil rights supporters and they work together frequently to advance a topic. when we had to cut law, those are stanley marcus is best test is out there attacking lyndon johnson. he had to walk past them that day and he lost a lot of customers. >> so i haven't read your book hears sounds great. i'll pick it

of the united nations dave which is how he ended up inviting adlai stevenson to come to the city and spread rationality as he would call it. it was fascinating to go through his archives because you could see how he felt about what was happening in the city and its efforts to change things. he sent a letter to the publisher the "dallas morning news" explaining why he thought the paper was contributing to this climate of absolutism and where it was steering the city wrong. and on the matters of integration neiman markets in the early 1960s was segregated just like every other local place in dallas. stanley marcus had to be careful about getting too far ahead of the city but behind-the-scenes you could see them pushing everybody else towards the integration. i would also mention quickly that stanley marcus and lyndon johnson were both kind of quiet civil rights supporters. they worked together free going to advance that topic and when we had this mink coat mob those were stanley marcus' best customers attacking lyndon johnson and yet that walked past him to join lbj this rally. he lost a lot of customers. >> i have not read your book but it sounds great and i'm going to

nation institute. march lina morgan at harvard university and executive director of the hip hop archive, tanner colby," and walter kimbo, president of dillard university, in my hometown of new orleans. so michael, you wrote a piece this week, in which you responded to the kind of rosa parks tweet that caused this big twitter frenzy, but specifically asked the question, why do we keep sort of framing this as, things are better now than they once were? >> yeah, it doesn't matter whether it's better. because we can pat ourselves on the back for being better than ch chattel slavery -- >> we are. we should mark, this is not that. >> it's not that. but what material impact does that have on people right now if you are facing the prison industrial complex? if you are facing dilapidated schools on the basis of racism, on the basis of the governing philosophy of this country since its inception is white supremacy. if we are not willing to unpack that and then say to ourselves, how do we build institutions where that isn't the governing philosophy, how do we say, then it doesn't matter right now if it's better

nation, as you might imagine. the roosevelt administration and got sterling browne appointed to oversee several independent black project. study that archiveican-american life. i first talked to michael. you told me there were 17 initiated by browne. how do you know there are 17? i don't know. i had to go part of the tour was finding the 17 projects. it was not until found a microfilm i was going through. i finally found that list of 17 projects. let me see if i can get it going here. hey here on the right here. he was head librarian for some 30 years. he invited the people. sterling brown the national editor of the federal writers project. based in d.c. here is a list of 17 projects. the list of 17. the number 15 was the negro in chicago. he became the negro in illinois. this dpaited here november 1939. it says here negro in chicago has begun. it's underway. but the actual during his day in 1940 the negro in virginia was published. and this started getting him moving on the project. he starts working more quickly. in the earl days the black writers work alongside white writers. and the downtown loop at eerie street. they were known at the