host: had the national archives and records administration involve the justice department in any previous cases? guest: there had been a case where former clinton national security advisor sandy berger had -- i believe he was to testify before the 9/11 commission, a little hazy on my memory on it. he asked the national archives if he could go in and look at his notes and records from that time period. while he was there, he stuffed them in his coat pocket and walked out. host: former president trump referenced saying the clinton case, while denouncing the indictment charged against him in recent days, this was an event in columbus, georgia this past weekend. i want to play this clip since we are talking past cases. [video clip] >> they do not mention the defining lawsuit that was brought against bill clinton. it was lost by the government, the famous socks case that says you can keep you -- keep these documents. they do not mention that. these are the minor details. when i left office and was moving to florida, boxes were openly sitting on the white house sidewalk. everybody was taking pi

the two candidates, these are for the agency and they go to the national archives. the question is are these documents like the clinton sock drawer case, are they personal records? 's like president clinton -- i president clinton's -- like president clinton' case -- the best record he can make is that they are my personal recollections of them and then they are mine. what are the notes about? you might argue it was a purely personal note. i love melania.

host: had the national archives and records administration involve the justice department in any previous there had been a case where former clinton national security advisor sandy berger had -- i believe he was to testify before the 9/11 commission, a little hazy on my memory on it. he asked the national archives if he could go in and look at his notes and records from that time period. while he was there, he stuffed them in his coat pocket and walked out. host: former president trump referenced saying the clinton case, while denouncing the indictment charged against him in recent days, this was an event in columbus, georgia this past weekend. i want to play this clip since we are talking past cases. [video clip] >> they do not mention the defining lawsuit that was brought against bill clinton. it was lost by the government, the famous socks case that says you can keep you -- keep these documents. they do not mention that. these are the minor details. when i left office and was moving to florida, boxes were openly sitting on the white house sidewalk. everybody was taking pictures of them

you've got in writing, national archives records to trump saying this is the process to declassify documentsve got his own lawyers who are telling him you cannot do this. they apparently, according to public reporting, putting national security officials testified that they walked through the proper process to declassify documents. and now, apparently, you have an audio recording where he is referring to a document with national defense information that he says is classified. so there is no declassification ordering. if there was a would've produced it already. >> that's exactly right. up next is donald trump -- 's legal team is falling apart at the same. we planned well for retirement, but i wish we had more cash. you think those two have any idea? that they can sell their life insurance policy for cash? so they're basically sitting on a goldmine? i don't think they have a clue. that's crazy! well, not everyone knows coventry's helped thousands of people sell their policies for cash. even term policies. i can't believe they're just sitting up there! sitting on all this cash. if you own a li

you've got in writing, national archives records to trump saying this is the process to declassify documents. you've got his own lawyers who are telling him you cannot do this. they apparently, according to public reporting, putting national security officials testified that they walked through the proper process to declassify documents. and now, apparently, you have an audio recording where he is referring to a document with national defense information that he says is classified. so there is no declassification ordering. if there was a would've produced it already. >> that's exactly right. up next is donald trump -- 's legal team is falling apart at the same. at the same. for instant relief that lasts up to 12 hours. vicks sinex targets congestion at the source, relieving nasal congestion, and sinus pressure by reducing swelling in the sinuses. try vicks sinex. we're talking about cashbackin. not a game! we're talking about cashbacking. we're talking about... we're not talking about practice? no... cashbacking. word. we're talking about cashbacking. cashbacking. cashbacking. cashback like

in october 2021, multiple sources say national archives lawyer gary stern sought the intervention of another trump attorney. that fall, a top official in trump's orbit says they were concerned and warned people not to touch the boxes out of fear that sensitive material could be exposed to those without the proper clearance. >> we're talking about documents at all of the classification levels. some of them are confidential. some of them are secret. then there are some that are top secret. these are documents that relate to the u.s. national defense, our nuclear capabilities, our nuclear vulnerabilities. the nuclear and military capabilities of some of the countries that pose threats to the united states. these are the most sensitive documents that the u.s. government had. >> what else did these documents contain, and did the former president jeopardize national security? >> we see there is a top-secret document that's marked "five eyes." reckless disregard for the nation's sensitive, classified, essential intelligence. - booked our trip to vegas! - in this economy? what, are we rich?!

. >> trump's boasting came months after a lawyer with the national archives and records administrationegan seeking return of the documents in this e-mail. quote, there are also now certain paper textual records we cannot account for. for example, the original correspondence between president trump and north korean leader kim jong-un were not transferred to us. it's also our understanding that roughly two dozen boxes were kept in the residence of the white house over the course of president trump's last year in office and have not been transferred to the national archives. >> so a law called the presidential records act says that presumably all records made during a president's time in office are property of the government. >> this was a widely known presidential records act, and throughout the entire course of the administration it would have been reminded on people. it would have been incumbent upon people to do something about it. and surely they would have known. . >> the archives was remarkably patient with the trump team throughout. they negotiated with the trump team for months a

your walk out and national archives gets the documents. then there was this indication that there was these negotiations and a raid. he's skipping parts of the story. the national archives asked for the documents. didn't get them back. they issued a subpoena. didn't get the documents back. after a year and a half of trying, then came the raid. >> the documents in the indictment are the ones that came after that subpoena. i want to go back to kristen holmes at the trump rally. kristen, the former president bringing up joe biden quite a few times. what did he say? >> reporter: yeah, much to the happiness of his audience. we were wondering how republicans were going to respond. i've spoken to so many republicans in washington who were very concerned about the charges in that indictment and how it would play in the 2024 election. however, he is speaking currently to a packed house. his arguments against biden, blaming him for this indictment, saying it was his corrupt doj and also saying it's unfair for him to be prosecuted and not president b

it is not just hiding a document are not sharing with the national archives.e us everything you got come because you should not have it in mar-a-lago. but corruptly concealing a document. what do you make of it? >> yeah, i listen to jonathan turley, another one i agree with. this is called unbundling, you can say the core set up facts and conduct, and one or two conspiracy counts and a subsequent count, or you can break them out into little micro charges, micro indictments, and i think that's what they have done here. and this is a prosecuting technique, and it bludgeons the defendant into caving in or consisting a jury to just compromise. so i think that there is a lot of that in this indictment. and i did not read very carefully, i had to put aside and was driving, but it looks to me like this is a poor set of facts where they unbundled bunch of charges and made them into thirtysomething or fortysomething individual indictments. and that is a very heavy-handed technique. >> neil: one of the things that comes up or was the parent -- president was storing a lo

in october of 2021, multiple sources say national archives lawyer stopped another attorney, and they were concerned and warned people not to touch the boxes out of fear that sensitive material could be exposed to those without proper clearance. >> we are talking about documents where some of them are confidential and some are secret and some are top secret, and these are documents that relate to the u.s. national defense and they are our nuclear capabilities and nuclear vulnerabilities, and the nuclear capabilities of those that pose threats to the united states. these are the most sensitive documents that the u.s. government has. >> what else did these documents contain? did the former president jeopardize national security? >> we see there's a top secret document that is marked five buys, reckless disregard for the nation's sensitive classified essential intelligence. my husband and i have never been more active. shingles doesn't care. i go to spin classes with my coworkers. goodor you, shingles doesn't care. becae no matter how healthy you feel, your risk of shiles sharply increas

as a former president, we were negotiating with a national archives and records administration just as every other president has done. and the next thing i knew, it was rated by gun toting fbi agents. >> host: those were comments from former president trump not too long ago, comments he made at a rally in georgia. now, he referenced what is known as the presidential records actf but i pulled up an article by the associated press. it says legal experts say trump's description of the law, which isn't mentioned in the charges against him is wrong and contrary to its very purpose, while the 2012 legal case involving clinton isn't a sound comparison to trump's current legal predicament, again that's an associated press article but i will bring it to you. tell us a little bit about this case from bill clinton. in your opinion does it compare to the case president trump now faces? >> there are important similarities and differences in the cases. in the case of president clinton the question was, he made these recordings about his time in office, so he's talking about the official business he

you worked at the national archives.e saying true and why isn't the presidential records act mentioned in the indictment? >> well, the president is simply wrong. the records that were taken to mar-a-lago are the american people's records. the presidential records act was passed by congress to change prior practice where presidents had their records as personal and they could take them home. but every since ronald reagan, presidents have been govern governed under the pra and it says when joe biden was inaugurated, when he was sworn into office, those records were in the legal custody of national archives. president trump had no right to take a single document to mar-a-lago, whether it is classified or unclassified. and he's conflating the indictment, with respect to the espionage act. he separately is charged under that act for taking information related to the national security, some portion of the documents were classified. that may be a crime. the presidential records act was violated because he took any document outs

the two candidates, these are for the agency and they go to the national archives. the question is are these documents like the clinton sock drawer case, are they personal records? 's like president clinton -- i president clinton's -- like presid cnton's case -- the best record he c me is that they are my personal recollections of them and then they are mine. what are the notes about? you might argue it was a purely personal note. i love melania. that note is a personal record but the problem is it is on a document as an agency record that is highly classified. putting aside whether it is a personal record, you can't take a classified document with you and stored in a insecure place and that is the fundamental challenge the president will face in making these arguments but there are some important similarities and differences in those cases. host: let's go back to the phone lines, republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. sheila is calling from youngstown, ohio. on the democratic line. caller: at a interview last night on

his attorneys were going back and forth with the national archives.ee, somebody said they wanted to go to the department of justice. the department of justice had to get a signoff with the white house counsel before this could be started. so do i look at this very dubious when, by the way, i know being a member of the oversight committee that joe biden, that there are major allegations that he took $5 million from burisma? yeah, i am very skeptical of this indictment. >> understood. i want to start with your point number two here. presidential records agent never mentioned in the indictment. there is nothing about personal records here. the indictment is based on 31 documents that the purview of agency they come from agency documents and no matter what the president says or does once he leaves office this would not fall under the pra in any way, shape or form. so i guess what i'm asking about here is these specific documents that are national security information that come from specific agencies and are not personal records ever the president, why do

quote, officials at the national archives had discovered similarities in fraudulent slates of electors for trump, that his republican allies had smitted to congress and the archives. the national archives inspector general's office asked doj's election crimes branch to consider investigating these seemingly coordinated efforts in swing states. according to two people familiar with the decision, the justice department declined that investigation, suggested to them by the office at nara, they declined to investigating citing it's prosecutor's discretion. doj had instead decided they were going to start with the small fry. they were going to work their way up to bigger fish. they were going to arrest and prosecute individual rioters from january 6th and not worry so much about the people who had orchestrated the riot and everything else as a way to overthrow the u.s. government. so in early 2021, doj declined to investigate the electors and instead close to go after the people who physically attacked the capitol. the national press has started to pick up the story. dana nessel announced o

and then when trump finally did send back 15 boxes to the national archives in january of 2022, that's when this criminal investigation began because that's when the federal government looked through those boxes and realized there were many classified records within them or documents with classification markings on them. so the intelligence community gets involved, the justice department gets involved. they subpoena trump and say turn over everything in your possession. we need anything with a classification marking on it. his attorney went and looked, found 38 records, called the justice department, they came down and claimed it from mar-a-lago in june. but then, that's whenever the investigation really heated up. that's when the justice department continued to look and realize that there was evidence that they believed would convince them there had been records concealed and removed and they had not recovered everything in trump's possession leading to that fbi search in august. that's when, i was just looking at the affidavit that the fbi put together, the document that they put tog

and after over a year of the national archives requesting the documents repeatedly. that is when a subpoena was finally issued for him to return the documents. he still obstructed justice by not returning the documents that he had in his possession and here we are today. we need to let justice do what it is going to do and continue to let him have his legal process. everyone is innocent until proven guilty and that will be done by a jury of his peers in south florida. the rest of us need to go on about doing the people's business. that is what the democratic caucus is here to do. we are trying to work on legislation. this is about everyday americans and how to make their lives better. we are not about using this house, congress, to protect one individual and their pursuit of power. host: our guest is delegate stacey plaskett, democrat, who represents the virgin islands. as you have heard, the top democrat of the select subcommittee on weaponization of the federal government and member of the intelligence committee. how did you vote on the motion to table a measure th

four months after donald trump left the white house, the national archives sent a letter to the national archives on may 6th, 2021. asking politely for the return of documents that belong to the united states government. nothing was returned. but on january 17th 2022 and archives contractor alive at mar-a-lago to load 15 boxes into a truck. and transport them 1000 miles north. to the national archives facilities. on may 11th of last year, the justice department issued a subpoena for any remaining documents at donald trump's florida residents. on june 2nd of last year, justice department returning j brett. went to mar-a-lago to collect the remaining documents subject to that subpoena. on that day, donald trump's lawyers gave jay bryant a written, signed a statement saying they were returning everything in donald trump's possession, subject to that subpoena, after what they called a diligent search. on august 8th of last year, august 8th, justice department officials in the fbi returned with a search warrant and seized over 100 documents marked classified as well as thousands of other gove

joe biden had to sign off on becoming a national archives case to have it go to the department of justicewho does he think he is lying to? the american people? this is a guy that's got comments from the time he was in the u.s. senate, for god's sakes, in his garage. i don't want to hear from the legal analysts the technicalities about false statements and obstruction. this should have never been a criminal case. willful retention of documents. >> brian: bring in jim trusty former federal prosecutor. one of donald trump's attorneys. can i just make a recommendation that you put mark levin on your defense team, jim, because he is obviously fired up why you ied that meeting and what took place. >> can i do the first part the second part gets trickier. good morning. and, look, thanks for having me on why came can as we this investigation. no reason on god's green's earth that anyone should trust the information bubbling up from the special counsel's office to the attorney general. under the special counsel statute, it's still the attorney general that controls the ultimate decisions here. it'

. >> reporter: this all began with the request from the national archives to return any classified documents held at mar-a-lago. the fbi ended up searching the property, and tonight the indictment alleges mr. trump okay instructed investigators' efforts including suggesting his own attorney falsely represent to the fbi and grand jury that he did not have any subpoenaed documents, making a plucking motion for his lawyer to remove classified documents from the batch that would be turned over the government and asks his body man, walt nauta, to even destroy some of them. >> up next we have the arraignment. describe what happens. >> he is expected to show up in person to enter a plea. as for what happens after tuesday, the judge assigned is a trump appointee. she's very familiar with the facts as she issued a number of controversial rulings regarding the fbi's search of his home that were later overturned. >> nothing prevents him from continuing to campaign. >> yes, legally nothing prevents him from running for office, and even if convicted, he can still get elected as

there is a service the national archives offers to every president leaving office.bama had 33 million documents at the national archives accounted for. 18 wheelers moved it with a police escort to where they are being held to this day and was paid for by taxpayers. reagan, bush, everyone of them had this service except for trump. it was not offered to him and i want to know why he was not given the same benefit that all the other x presidents were given. thank you. host: all right, vincent calling on the democratic line from brooklyn, new york. caller: good morning. regardless of your political persuasion, is a lifelong democrat, i want to bring out some facts. the democratic party has been disseminating this information to its own electoral. about president obama and him cutting the deficit? yes, president obama did reduce the federal budget deficit during his tenure in office. when he took office in 2009, the deficit was at its highest point since world war ii. by the end of his presidency in 2017, the deficit had fallen by more than two thirds. this was achieved

meadows served as one of his representatives to the national archives. the times reports that meadows had some role to discuss return the documents. when it comes to trumps efforts to overthrow the election it was mark meadows that was present at nearly all of the most crucial moments and meetings. meadows handed over multiple messages, discussing plans to overturn the election. this stunning news comes as we are all on a indictment watch on jack smith's investigation into donald trump's handling of classified documents. i am joined by somebody that has extensively covered the investigation into trump. ohio, there has been talk about this, tonight it appears confirmed that he has in fact talked to the grand jury. how significant is this? >> it is a big deal for several reasons, in addition to what you laid out in the synopsis. what mark meadows turned over to the committee, he said was the stuff that was not covered by executive privilege, what a judge ordered meadows to testify to was stuff he did think was covered by executive privilege so what he is t

the classified documents fight began in may 2021 when the national archives and records administration started reaching out to trump aides for missing documents. in january 2022, trump sent 15 boxes of documents to the national and you are could i haves.boxes, classified documents were uncovered. a subpoena was issued for any remaining classified material. in june trump's lawyers handed over an additional 38 classified records. in august the fbi obtained a warrant and searched trump's residence at mar-a-lago where more than 100 classified records were found. in recent weeks cnn has learned of mounting evidence against the former frommed. trump's former chief staff testified before the sgrand jury along with at least two dozen close aides and employees from mar-a-lago. the prosecution has also viewed security footage that show just one day before a federal agent searched the property last summer, trump's body man walt nauta and a maintenance worker were seen moving boxes of classified material. neither has been charged with any crime. in october the same maintenance worker was reportedl

he was caught stealing classified documents from the national archives. very big ones and very important ones. by stuffing them in his pants. that is pretty. and putting them also in his socks. he destroyed them and cut the tape with scissors, cut them all up. what berger did was highly illegal, but he was given nothing. no jail time, nothing. nothing happens. there are countless other examples. bill clinton, who i happen to like, hard to believe. before i did this i was actually quite friendly with him. nice guy. they should have used him more as an advisor in the 2016 election. he said you better get to wisconsin. you are going to lose. you better get to michigan. you will lose. no, we will not. they did. bill clinton lost the nuclear codes and absently nothing was done about it. he lost the nuclear codes! the george w. bush white house lost 22 million e-mails for record. nara cannot ensure complete transfer of any of the bush records. the document shredding truck was spotted on the way to dick cheney's house. can you imagine? hillary clinton took hundr

it is not likejoe biden was being repeatedly told by the national archives, and the fbi, for example,n biden centre in washington, dc, they found the documents and they turned them over. mike pence did the same thing and he was actually cleared and is not going to get charged for that. if trump... once trump had been contacted by the national archives, once trump had been contacted by the nationalarchives, back once trump had been contacted by the national archives, back a few years ago, and if he had turned everything over, i don't think he would be facing this today because he could have said, o facing this today because he could have said, 0 come in a rush to pack up have said, 0 come in a rush to pack up the white house, i took documents i shouldn't have. he seems to kind have been a pack rat, then one of those documents and he likes to show them around to people, but that habit is now getting him in trouble. thank you for talking to us, daniel littman from the news website politico as we go through those 37 criminal counts, which have been released today, in the last half hour or

meadows served as one of trump's representatives to the national archives. shortly after trump left office. the times reports tonight that meadows had some role in trying to discuss the return of classified materials to the national archives. when it comes to donald trump's multiple efforts to overthrow the 2020 election, it was mark meadows who was present at nearly all of the most crucial moments and meetings. meadows, who handed over hand dreads of text messages to the january six committee, detailing his detailed involvement to -- overturn the election on january 6th. this stunning news about meadows comes as we are all on an indictment wash in special counsel, jack smith's criminal investigation into donald trump's handling of daca cox to find documents. i'm joined now by someone who's extensively covered the central role mark meadows occupies in trump world. kyle cheney, congressional reporter for politico. kyle, there's been talk about this. suspicion, wondering from the trump circle. reporting, scuttlebutt, tonight it appears concern that he has in f

the national archives wanted stuff back, they reached out to these teams.eams returned the documents, one of them did not. >> look again, i'm not the attorney, i should not be able to speak to this -- he can speak better than i will. i will say this, the notion that somehow, oh they asked for it back and we gave it back is not in itself absolving yourself of the underlying crime. so i'm just thinking that we have to have a broader conversation here about that. but look, think again, i see as i said at the top, we should follow the facts wherever they lead, we should understand what president trump knew, when he knew it, and from there we will be able to have a broader conversation. >> everybody is learning the term -- right now, and when he knew. i think some of the revelations of alaska police are extremely significant, and you differentiate this case from the case of biden and pence, and you know, i don't think time is of the essence. justice delayed is justice denied, and the closer this gets to the primaries, the more politicized this becomes, not less.

they allege that the national archives repeatedly demanded that the former president turn over classified documents, beginning in may of 2021. the charges against the former president include willful retention of national defense information. conspiracy to obstruct justice, withholding a document or record corruptly concealing a document or record and conceal a document in a federal tsvestigation schemetonc reprtaare lad tomphandyou see now, jack smith and we will hear his first remarks on what has been a 14-month long investigation. >>> good afternoon. y, charging donald j. trump, felo national security laws as well as participating in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. this indictment was for citizens in the southern district of florida. i invite everyone to understand the scope and gravity of the crimes charged. the men and women of the united states intelligence community and our armed forces dedicate their lives to protecting our nation and its people. our laws that protect national defense information are critical to the security and safety of the united states and they must be enfor

there's and then i also was able to get access to the department of justice records at the national archives so i could see sort of the investigation unfold. and then there's also this 3000 page transcript of the congressional hearings that wheeler led into the end of the department of justice. it really was like knowing that there's this nugget of a story, but then being able to tell it in rich detail. right. and i tried to write this in almost novelistic style, and i wouldn't have been able to do that without those 10,000 pages. i was going to ask you about that. i mean, just as the book begins, you've got this paragraph where you say all the dialog is substantiated. you can point to a transcript. so you can point to, you know, witnesses. how do you tell a story that way? how do you write around it and embroider it or at least sort of sketch in the outlines so that it becomes vivid and yet not, you know, transgress? yeah, there's a lot of writing around. you're right. you're right about that. but it's true. i did not embellish. i did not make up anything there. there are a few actually a f

including all the ones that are over at the national archives. boxes have a random assortment of materials in them. i mean, we are talking golf shoes, score cards, pictures of celine dion. newspapers. so the president had every right to, even if he specifically said i want to look something he would be allowed to do that. so i am not going to try to case based on leaks, but i will tell you that the leaks that they are selecting are not giving context to the reality. the legal reality of this case. >> well we invited you here to provide some clarity, and i honestly, in this conversation i have heard a lot about the leaks, i have heard a lot about the prosecutors. but i really have not heard any explanations for your clients alleged behavior. and i think that is the disconnect here. >> sure. >> you also won't even say whether the document we are talking about is classified or not. i mean, if you are listening to this, most people would come away from it saying that you can't have it both ways. you can't say they were all declassified and not say th

she says, the responding agency, the national archives, the tapes were mr. clinton's personal records, therefore not subject to the presidential records act or the freedom of information act. the government's position was that congress had decided the president and the president alone decides what is presidential record and what is. and this is why they want to keep talking about the espionage act and not the presidential records act. we had a legal analyst come on this network a few hours back and he says presidential records act doesn't apply. it's the federal records act because these documents weren't created by the oval office. >> i said, how much dumber is this going to get before this is over? it's what's in the possession. the president, not whether he created it or not, not whether the vice president created it, not whether the the staff created it. president gets cia information. the president gets disinformation. he gets all kinds of information. it comes the oval office, some of which he might create most of, which he doesn't. one other thing i h

the two candidates, these are for the agency and they go to the national archives. the question is are these documents like the clinton sock drawer case, are they personal records? 's like president clinton -- i president clinton's -- like president clinton' case -- the best record he can make is that they are my personal recollections of them and then they are mine. what are the notes about? you might argue it was a purely personal note. i love melania. that note is a personal record but the problem is it is on a >> and we're going to leave this here to keep our over 40-year commitment of live gavel-to-gavel coverage of congress. more member speeches. later today we expect lawmakers to consider a bill funding to build or renovate seven veterans' medical facilities as well as a program providing entrepreneurship training to veterans. live coverage on c-span. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the prayer will be offered by chaplain barry c. black from the u.s. senate. the chaplain: let us pray. eternal god who alone spreads out the heavens and rules

guest: one is the taking of the documents and the fact that over 18 months the national archives and fbi asked trump and lawyers and associates to return the documents and the government was told that they had received everything turns out the warrant was executed there were additional documents at mar-a-lago. obstruction we heard in connection with the mueller report when there were 10 alleged acts of obstruction of justice by donald when he was president. we have heard about obstruction in connection with january 6. those sets of statutes are about this. criminal investigation underway we do not want to have people get away with hiding evidence, bribing witnesses from threatening them, threatening the judge, harassing the jury. those things are illegal because if they were legal we would not have a criminal justice system that functions. the obstruction part of this case has to do with the reports that documents were moved around, boxes were moved, cetera there's a report at a c in and suspicious flooding of a room that contained recording related to where the documents were -- we

. >> reporter: but according to the national archives, the presidential records act requires that allts be turned over to the national archives at the end of their administrations. legal scholars say the trump's team assertion will likely not farewell in court. >> the reason why it's so hard to make these are personal records and not agency records because they're classified documents on their face. they're literally created by another agency with classified information. >> reporter: on the campaign trail, some republicans now say trump can defend himself. >> i can't defend what is alleged in this indictment. but the president is entitled to his day in court. >> and robert costa joins us now. both back from miami. how is this shaking up the presidential contest? >> tonight, norah, my top republican sources say trump's rivals on the gop side, they sense some vulnerability because of trump's piling up legal challenges. but on fundraising and energy, they do see a lot of command still with trump's campaign. in fact, his campaign now claims to have raised over $6 million since he was indi

with the national archives.he was one of the designated representatives to deal with the national archives on questions involving these kind of materials. we have indication, we have reasonable eve, that he may very well be possibly cooperating with jack smith on this in the january 6th investigation. if mark meadows is a coconspirator here, that would be something, presumably to find out tuesday at 3:00? >> yeah, so there's a lot of information, lawrence that's floating around about mark meadows. and whether he's flipped, turned against trump, of, course as you said it's important both to understand these are just rumors at this point, but also jack smith is investigating two different things, the stolen documents at mar-a-lago, and trump's role in january 6th. meadows might have information about both it might be cooperating with both. it may only be relevant to one core than the other we just don't know to me, the more important point, is that i think it marries what brad said and what andrew said a moment ag