washington dc, mid metropolitan police officer and the former executive director of the national black police association. his, his deaths at the hands of police will continue as this, nor will to change laws. the protect offices struck me back to rodney king. it took me back to georgia floor there quite a few in between ordered and some after door slow and there is no will know will for change. and we keep expecting certain to happen and it never happens in. i'm not so sure that this is a water st mom because a lot rationing. there are some things for federally that need to be it can be done, but i haven't federal legislation is not going to stop all this metallic cause the real work that needs to be done is that the state and local level. and they have been some legislative changes as relates to reform. like in the state of coll, robin, there's no more qualified immunity. now if the feds would eliminate qualified immunity, it would be fantastic, but definitely some that they want to do politically. that's offered a table already, if the republicans are in charge of the house now, or they had already be

retired washington dc metropolitan police officer and former executive director of the national black police association. he joins us now live from washington. thank you very much for being on al jazeera. what do you put this lack of progress in policing down to in the us? oh, there is no. will the change in, you know, are for me this took me back to rodney king. it took me back to georgia floor and they are quite a few in between other than some after your slow and they have no will, no will for change. and we keep expecting certain to happen. and it never happens in anatomy. so there this is, the water said mom, because of all the rest, i have to be cautiously optimistic. we, we had a vice president, kamala harris and speak about changes to federal legislation. me what meaningful change would actually make a difference to you. thank the federal legislation. this is gonna make a change. yes, there's a, there's a, there's a or our need for our national registry. desa. ah, there's a need to bay and nationally, federally chalk holes. there's a need to ban arm, no, not water. and all stains are, there's al