they're gone according to new data from the national bureau of economic research. ut you're painting this rosy picture of everything is going to be fine for everyone. and a lot of people are just now learning that they're about to lose their jobs or they're barely hanging on. their business is, you know, hanging by a thread. or is already gone. >> right. well, yeah, i think i would disagree with your characterization, i would say it's way better than expected but still lots of terrible, bad news. and the fact is though that if the places like washington, d.c., just stay shut, then we could expect to see a massive wave of bankruptcies. there are all sorts of small businesses that are just barely holding on, especially, you know, restaurants and hotels. at some point, they're going to decide that it's not worth it anymore. so it's very, very important that the country, you know, as safely as possible, wearing masks and so on, begin to get back to normal and if not, people will run out of money and then you get a second wave of bankruptcies and a real, real deep double