the nber, the national bureau of economic research, what is that? >> first of all, thank you for c-span. i love watching. national bureau of economic research is one of the most prestigious economic journals that publishes a lot of studies about what is going on with the economy and society. it is very well-established and very well respected. host: your study is a final report card. we talked about this during the course of covid. you had been looking at issues on how states responded to covid. he looked at three areas and compared them state to state. stephen: let me just back up one second. we did a lot of things right and we did a lot of things wrong over the last few years with respect to covid. this was the first killer virus we have seen in 50 years so politicians and people were in a bit of a panic when this happened. mistakes were made, for sure. but one of the things that i think happened that i think was the right decision, early on -- and i was working with trump at the time -- the president made the decision to let the states decide thei

comparative study we have seen to date was published last week as a working paper by the national bureau of economic research, and it deserves wide attention. the authors at the university of shockoe -- chicago and a member of the committee to at least prosperity, they compared covid outcomes in the 50 states and district of columbia based on three variables, the economy, education, and mortality. it is a revealing study that belies much of the conventional medical and media wisdom during the pandemic, especially in its first year when severe lockdowns were described as the best and the only moral policy. and of course, this is a conservative group that has put this out, but the article goes on to say the top 10 states in the rankings are smaller states with a notable exception, florida, which ranked sixth. it recalls how the sunshine state's decision to open itself relatively soon after the first lockdown was derided as cruel and destructive. governor desantis was called governor death sentence. the study ranks florida 20th in mortality, in the middle of the packet, and about the same as california, which r

the nber, the national bureau of economic research, what is that? irst of all, thank you for c-span. i love watching. national bureau of economic research is one of the most prestigious economic journals that publishes a lot of studies about what is going on with the economy and society. it is very well-established and very well respected. host: your study is a final report card. we talked about this during the course of covid. you had been looking at issues on how states responded to covid. he looked at three areas and compared them state to state. stephen: let me just back up one second. we did a lot of things right and we did a lot of things wrong over the last few years with respect to covid. this was the first killer virus we have seen in 50 years so politicians and people were in a bit of a panic when this happened. mistakes were made, for sure. but one of the things that i think happened that i think was the right decision, early on -- and i was working with trump at the time -- the president made the decision to let the states decide their ow

show the full screen, the national bureau of economic research printed from the committee for, to unleash it is showing the best versus the worst covid states. you see the red states and you see, we shouldn't even make it about politics. the bottom line is, lockdowns didn't work. that people who were in lockdown states got slammed. >> it is about policy. the unemployment, the supply issues, the spending. i will tell you what it is about it is congressional seats. people are voting with their feet. moving to where there is freedom, opportunity, like the beginning of the -- elizabeth: got it. congressman dan meuser, thanks for spending time with us. it is good to see you. federal prosecutors weighing federal charges against hunter biden. the grand jury is looking at it there. questions how the family profited from the questionable overseas deals with china and russia. they were buried in off-balance sheet shell companies the biden family set up. did the president profit? gop senator chuck grassley is asking, was the president compromised? we dig in next on the "the evening edit" it can be a

but more than two years into the pandemic a new study published by the national bureau of economic researche coronavirus lockdowns ranking states based on the economy, education and the number of deaths. the study puts utah, nebraska, vermont and even florida at the top of the list for covid outcomes while those with the most stringent pandemic lockdowns including new jersey, new york and california came many toward the bottom. we're back with kim strassel and holman jenkins. kim, the interesting thing about study which was done by our friends casey mulligan, steve moore and phil kirkman, is that -- it compares for the first time across multiple variables not just covid mortalities. so you have education, economics and covid. what are the lessons you draw? >> well, the number one lesson is lockdowns don't work. and you can see that if particular, for instance, in florida's ranking. it came in sixth overall, but what you saw there is that it had very good outcomes, in the top ten in terms of schools, education -- meaning, and it was measured in terms of days lost out of school -- a decent ou

we've got the mbe are that the national bureau of economic research. been talking about this you've been all over this. they put out that study that was don't the university of chicago, steven martha heritage foundation, more joblessness, more death economic collapse the democrat shutdown destroy the economy small businesses 22 million jobs. watch doctor fauci said yes to restrictions, watch this. >> we need to be flexible and if in fact we do see a turnaround and a resurgence, we have to be able to pivot and go back to any degree of mitigation that is commensurate with what the situation is. so we can't just say we are done now we are going to move on. >> i don't see us going back into any restricted kinds of restrictions. but you always have to have the flexibility. elizabeth: he just flip-flopped almost in real time again, right doctor? dr. kagan we have $15 billion spent on public -- and government affairs officials in the u.s. government. they are getting paid to do public relations for health issues. why is it always doctor fauci? >> he's got a bi

that has been obvious for some time, the national bureau of economic research really spells it out. ning policies were successful freedom without medical disaster, nine of the ten are run by republican governors. i was hoping we would get a list of them on the screen. i wish we would've done that. but we did have the list of the ten winners from t pandemic. the people in restrictive states, i wish i had a list from you in restrictive states, they were the big losers, these are mostly big democrat run states, the worst of the worst is new jersey, closely followed by new york, california and illinois, 100 million americans in the state have to suffer prolonged restrictions and close schools, out of all those people we were told to hunker down or else. florida governor desantis who is reviled for opening up he was called governor death sentence, who is entered laughing now. across the board they bungled the pin dimmick they seem eager to shut the businesses for the democrat president good the teachers union and ruin public education especially on the big cities in the democrat run cdc h

comparative study we have seen to date was published last week as a working paper by the national bureau of economic researchand it deserves wide attention. the authors at the university of shockoe -- chicago and a member of the committee to at least prosperity, they compared covid outcomes in the 50 states and district of columbia based on three variables, the economy, education, and mortality. it is a revealing study that belies much of the conventional medical and media wisdom during the pandemic, especially in its first year when severe lockdowns were described as the best and the only moral policy. and of course, this is a conservative group that has put this out, but the article goes on to say the top 10 states in the rankings are smaller states with a notable exception, florida, which ranked sixth. it recalls how the sunshine state's decision to open itself relatively soon after the first lockdown was derided as cruel and destructive. governor desantis was called governor death sentence. the study ranks florida 20th in mortality, in the middle of the packet, and about the same as california, which ran

national bureau of economic research headed by -- >> yeah. >> and what is worthwhile talking about it they mostly do it for academic reasons. not academic as not meaningful they do it so we can go back and look at what happened to it in a recession and what happened leading up to the recession. we do back and study the economy. they don't do it for us. they did it for us, they would meet every day and give a ruling every day. that's what investors want to know one more thing on the 3-month/2-year what makes sense is that is the timeframe we are talking about talking about recession three or four years from now is mea meani meaningless. right now, traders are trying to figure out what's going to happen two years from now and what is happening three months from now that spread to me is the reason why economists think it provides more information it is within the timeframe >> that's a great line if you sneeze, it doesn't mean you have a cold. if you have a cold, you will probably sneeze. >> yeah. are you making the santelli book >> we should listen a lot. midwestern wisdom, i think >> th