fixes are really out there today we're talking to not a junkie the president of the national conference of black lawyers which launched an international commission of inquiry on systemic racist police violence against people of african descent in the united states and is about to release those findings next week and professor james foreman jr who teaches law at yale university and is the author of the book locking up our own crime and punishment in black america thanks to both of you for joining us today and these are obviously tense times not i mean i know your report is about to come out but we also have a trial going on and a verdict expected in the coming day or days with derek show and as we produce this show i am very aware that 3 black people on average in the united states will die in the next 24 hours as a result of police actions can you frame for us what the stakes are in the show in trial and its outcome right now. well the stakes are high as you know you know that the stakes are high in many ways we're looking at how is the jury going to make this decision what are they going to be talking

today we are talking with the president of the national conference of black lawyers, which launched anuiry on systemic police violence against people of african dissent in the united states and is about to release those findings. professor james foreman junior teaches law at yale university and is the author of the book "locking up our own: crime and punishment in black americans." thanks for joining us. these are tense times. come out, but we also have ato trial going on and a verdict expected with derek chauvin. and as we produce the show, i am very aware that three black people on average in the united states will die in the next 24 hours as a result of police actions. can you explain what the stakes are in the chauvin trial? nada: the stakes are high in many ways. we are looking at, how was the jury going to make its decision, what are they going to be talking about, thinking about, how are they taking all the information provided, and across the country and really across the world, people are waiting to see whether or not this verdict is a reflection of things to come. i think tha