we're seeking to free of these funds and we're working with the transitional national council. there is a need -- a meeting to in doha. there will get a better sense of their needs going forward. there is a road map towards democratic transition. >> international law makes this looks like a speeded up process. >> we have been working at it for the past couple of weeks. we're trying to accelerate the process within the committee. if that does not work we will get other methods as well. >> i have to ask you, do you know where gaddafi as? the white house thinks they are -- he is in tripoli. >> it is a situation on the ground. what is clear is he needs to relinquish power and step aside and allow democratic transition to take place. that is in the needs of the people and they deserve it. >> thanks for rbs. >> thank you. >> you're watching "bbc world news america". we look forward to what the country holds. libyas rebel leaders are seeking $2.50 billion to put the country back on its feet. >> libya's new rulers, whoever they may become urgently need cash to kick start construction i

the council will meet with the u.s. and european and arab nations in qatar on wednesday and ask them for financial assistance. it will also ask for cooperation in rebuilding the country from other nations at a conference to be held in turkey on thursday. >>> the u.s. government has announced plans to release up to $1.5 billion in frozen libyan assets t transitional national council within days. >> we want to give this money back to the tnc for its use, first and foremost, to meet humanitarian needs and to help it establish a secure, stable government and to move on to the next step in its own roadmap. >> the announcement came after u.s. president barack obama spoke by telephone with french president nicolas sarkozy. they agreed to work with the international community to support a peaceful transition to democracy in libya. >>> let's turn now to nhk world in benghazi where the transitional national council is based. >> reporter: the national council is working hard to find out where gadhafi is hiding. it believes it is unlikely libya's top leader has

national council hold the country together? >> unfortunately, this opposition movement has been tenuous from the beginning. i doubt that it will hold the country together without major violence. we should not forget that the country is virtually divided between east and west. for the first time in more than 40 years, the easterners control the country again. it might be that they will take revenge on the citizens, not only of tripoli, but of other cities in the west, especially in places where gaddafi comes from, and his family and main supporters. >> what about the chances that a copy might have military forces at his command -- that gaddafi might have military forces at his command? >> gaddafi is finished, but there are still loyalists in the city fighting the rebels. they will die down in the coming days. they know that the battle is now lost. >> is there any antiwar muammar gaddafi is? -- are there any reports of where muammar gaddafi is? >> i think he is still in libya, but it might not be tripoli, it might be his birthpla

the rubber is really going to hit the road now what do we know so far about this transitional national council as the former justice minister that the moment is heading it but where do we think that they're go do we know exactly who they represent in terms of the living and we know we know a number of things about them the first is that several months ago they started off as a loose grouping of everyone who was against gadhafi who was not afraid to show up and then they evolved into a sim what was somewhat effective fighting force and during the course of that process they have actually developed internal consultation mechanisms in institutional structure and a way of negotiating in mediating all the various interests within their own factions whether or not they will be able to take that structure that they have built onto the worst possible conditions and turn it into. something that looks like a government we don't know yet again the proof is going to be in the pudding but they are a long way in terms of their institutional development from the ragtag group of rebels that started this war s

council in the got the regime and i really thought we was. was libya's. ambassador to india for they cut off the regime these are the real leaders of the national transitional council. they're certainly known have any history as democrats you know they've been associated with a good off the regime for a very long time furthermore i very much agreed with the comment in your report that. this this regime in the making is largely being installed by western powers if we go back to march of this year when the un adopted security council resolution one thousand and seventy three that was the no fly zones to protect civilians. that didn't by any stretch of the imagination give nato forces the authority to facilitate regime change in libya which is what we're now doing in the us it is in the lead they haven't recognized the national transitional council in july of this year so there are of course the great danger is either we have a continuing civil war or we have what the libyan people think of as a puppet american regime designed to protect access to the forty one billion dollars of barrels of oil that everybody knows exists and libya i think it's important to po

or process story the story in libya is whether or not the libyan people and the transitional national council has the capacity to try and form their society into something that more accurately represents the aspirations the legitimate aspirations of the people who live in that society of course but how much is the international community going to be able to control itself to fight the urge this is simply a very large role in setting up who is going to be the next leader alive because this is what's happening all around the arab spring as clearly some of these autocratic leaders you could say have been in power for decades thirty years for a. the years we've worked with them the entire time this is a goldilocks situation if we intervene too much or for too involved then we may interfere with the natural process of developing a new political and social equilibrium if we aren't involved enough then there may be the kind of fragmentation and disorder and continued problems that militate against the kind of long term goals and interests we have in the region and by long term goals and interests we

ended up with not what they wanted and in libya those who took over and that is the transitional national council have now been chosen by the libyan people get the council is being recognized as a legitimate power in the via by all allies suit been helping oust gadhafi many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers is have essentially made those very important choices for them the war's been going on for six months it took many lives and drew a lot of criticism nato is facing a deadline is september when a resolution for strikes has to be renewed and given all the violations that have taken place it would be very hard to get everyone on board for extending the campaign with what we're seeing on the ground he looks like they have met the deadline it's important to know that colonel gadhafi had no friends in the international community after what he had done to his people and the whole of the international community has been has so far been united in saying that he must go all of the u.n. security council members shared their new including russia but many say the way nato has been accomp

one of the things there is the national transitional council. there is a lot of questions about who exactly may lead this country whether it is one person or a group of people for a while. has spoken of before. that's what they wanted to do. a lot of questions unanswered. certainly a lot of celebrating by rebel forces and civilians who backed the rebels here in the country. >> sarah who has been traveling with the rebels on the wave of their extraordinary advance. thank you. >> some extraordinary reporting as well. the question is who is going to run this country and how are you going run it. >> the election of the temporary councilmen. and of course wi have to take care of the security of the city. >> i don't think that would be a major issue with gadhafi's resistance. in the meantime, made it very clear that any changes happening and they are ready for any surprises. and you know, the celebration, people are getting together. >> you raise the issue there of gadhafi's sons. now, what will you do with them? and what will the libyan people want d

the transitional national council is largely a council that has been led by the former justice minister. he does not have the charisma to unite the country which is basically a divided country. there is a great division between the transitional national council that originated in benghazi in those trouble leaders and opponents to the regime in tripoli as well as the west like ion laz rudder. they were unhappy over the failure of the council to provide adequate military resistance. can they restore safety and stability to tripoli as quickly as possible? that will be the most important task. >> when do you think we will see a functioning democracy in this country? is that possible at the moment? >> a functioning democracy is a rather distant goal. this country was ruled by a brutal dictatorship for decades. it is deeply divided along tribal lines. it has gone now to a harrowing -- through a harrowing civil war. half it has no political parties. its security forces are we. the task at hand is state building. on top of that, you can have a function -- functioning political system. >> what i

the foreign minister is to fly to benghazi today to meet officials of the national transitional council. the chair of the alliance of nations is there to deal diplomatically with the libyan conflict. andrew? >> charles, meanwhile, moammar gadhafi is nowhere to be found. one of his sons, his chosen success, saif gadhafi has reappeared. he unexpectedly presented himself in front of cameras outside of tripoli hotel. libyan rebels had claimed to have him in custody. but clearly, free and able to move about, saif gadhafi was greeted by supporters and drove off in an armored land cruiser. another of colonel gadhafi's son, mohammed gadhafi escaped from rebel custody on monday. a third son is the only son currently under arrest. >>> matthew chance is at the hotel where say eave gadhafi made his surprise appearance. earlier, he described his talk with gadhafi's son. >> outside there was a white armored land cruiser and people were pounting at me sago owe i went up to it. i knocked on the window and says, can you open the door, i need to see you with my own eyes. he did that. i reached in, turned

. >>> the uk coordinator there for the national council in libya, which is expected to be comprised, the next leadership, of that country. charles? >>> the voices of libya's people tell the emotional side of this story. we're joined by a witness in tripoli who's been riding out the storm that's sweeping through libya. for security purposes we are not identifying him. what is the situation in the capital this morning? there was a lot of celebratory gunfire overnight. is it quiet now? >> well, actually, it was a celebration last night, but today, this morning, there is sporadic gunfire going off. we can't tell if it's in one place or moving from place to place. looks like there's rebels around the area, not in one place. from time to time you can hear clashes between two sides. i cannot see them. i can hear gunshots on the right side, from the left. this morning i heard continuous fire shooting in bab al azizla area along with tank or grenades. but it was like small bombs. in my area which is -- which is close to bab al azizla, the freedom fighters looks like they don't speak arabic. s

there are other elements within the transitional national council as we know it today.his is what may slow the sort of arrival, if you will, or the announcement of any sort of transitional government. this may be the simplest one. >> and of course what happens to gadhafi's inner circle is not the only big question here. >> french and african sources have expressed fear that some of the weapons have fallen into control of al qaeda. to kidnap westerners. >> of course they have proven they can beat the forces. >> can the rebels run? e interna. but for some of us with overactive bladder, our pipes just don't work as well as they should. sometimes, i worry my pipes might leak. but i learned there's something more i can do. now, i take care with vesicare. once-daily vesicare can help control your bladder muscle and is proven to treat overactive bladder with symptoms of frequent urges and leaks day and night. if you have certain stomach or glaucoma problems, or trouble emptying your bladder, do not take vesicare. vesicare may cause allergic reactions that may be serious. if yo

we are expecting some form of words from the national transitional council, hopefully they will confirm that. at the moment they are still running battles in the street. we don't know how many members of the libyan army still stand. we know the national transitional council had 12 to 15,000 waiting outside the city at the start of today. that will have a decisive impact on the city. >> gregg: dominic did natale -- dominic did that ly producer are telling us through our brain room we did incredible research, algeria did in fact, sign, as a signatory to the international criminal court which has indicted muammar gadhafi for crimes against humanity, seeking the death penalty. algeria may have signed it, they didn't ratify it. technically, they do not have to follow the rules of the icc in handing over muammar gadhafi. keep in mind, the bbc reporting gadhafi has fled to algeria. we have not been able to confirm that. >> heather: that made that news in june, correct? >> gregg: i think it was june 24th. tunisia 24th, algeria about a decade ago. but they never ratified it. >> maybe that's the

so that the money that the transitional national council is is looking to unfreeze of the libyan assets and get that to come back to washington and the farm of loving. god so this is a paper book so i'm going to launch a war to war so it's a more i'm going to get a bunch of rebels somewhere maybe. for instance the i'm a. tomorrow my war is going to the on the front page will be read the united states as a legitimate writer use it as you got to have a go though they're going to look like we're about fifty thousand dollars a month for one lobbyist was the cap not much or all right we'll have a thank you for being on the show thank you for the news that you broke here and we'll look for your report on monday and hope we get to talk you've got serious and that was asia times correspondent pepe escobar now it began syria and syria today protests continued and government forces reportedly killed seven protesters that in response to unrest we've seen there for a while today russia announced a diplomatic initiative to try to stop the violence the russian ambassador to the united nations

street lobbyists they've been hired to represent that there is a shell national council so that money that they're the transitional national council is is looking to unfreeze of the libyan assets and get that to come back to washington and the farm of lodging right there which is good to people but sort of going to launch a war to be lauren so it's more of give a get together bunch of rebels somewhere maybe. for instance we're more. moral why war is going to be on the front page of every. speech as legitimate right if you've got to have the dough though get it out looks like right up at eight thousand dollars a month for one lobbyist was the cap. or all right well thank you for being on the show thank you for the news that you broke here and we'll look for your report on monday and hopefully get to talk to you about syria saying that was asia times correspondent pepe escobar. all right back to the united states i mentioned money but what about money in the u.s. where is the u.s. economy headed and what are u.s. leaders do want about it but if you look at the numbers it looks like the

they were fighting for and then leave you know those who took over and that is the transitional national council of now being chosen by the levy and people get that council is being recognized as legitimate power in the view of by all the allies that it's been helping. many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers of the century made those very important choices for them nato has been in there. with the mission over the last six months the strike strikes a lot of criticism they killed many innocent civilians while the goal of the mission was to protect civilians nato was facing a deadline in september when a resolution full strikes had to be renewed and given all of the violations that have taken place it would be very hot. to get everyone on board for extending the campaign. well thanks very much indeed for that gunn of us live in washington well let's get more analysis from the director of the antiwar coalition brian becker he's also in washington d.c. brian thanks very much indeed for being with us here in r.t. but as you just heard it said that nato has done a great job it looks

libya's national transitional council, it was officially established march 5th in benghazi. the council is recognized by more than 30 countries as libya's legitimate governing authority. it's made up of 33 members and led by the chairman. the ntc says its i'm aim is to steal libya for an interim period only and ultimate goals are free elections and establishing a constitution. >>> while rebel fighters are united against moammar gadhafi with just one goal in mind a big concern is what happens after his 42-year reign ends. finding unity is never easy but it's even more complicated with libya's make up. their tribal rivalries and ethnic groups. the majority of the population is arab or berber. you see them here in orange in the north and east. that's about 97% of the population. a handful of other groups indicated by the different colors you see on the map. >> world leaders are urging the national transitional council to pursue a peaceful evolution to democracy but that won't be easy. the council is far from united. the shaky coalition includes former regime officials, national

the national transitional council is watching closely. they hope to send officials to tripoli on wednesday. to begin the process of establishing a new government. our correspondent is in the rebel stronghold of benghazi and sent this report. >> they are students, businessmen, teachers, most holding a gun for the first time. they rose up with no outside help. they would have been crushed but for nato's help. now the rebels stand on the brink of victory. already recognized by many as litter -- libya's legitimate government. the rebels national transitional council is a mix of factions. with little more in common than dislike of colonel gaddafi. it is an uneasy coalition between the east and west of the country, islamist and secular, former members of the regime, and longstanding exiles. >> that is a potpourri of different ideas and ideologies. if they work within the same framework, that is a constitution, then everybody has their own thoughts and see what they thing. >> the country's next leader could be mustaffa jaleel. he is seen as havi

they have recently shuffled the entire national transition council.his is again a very difficult time i think there's a lot of speculation. >> general tom mcinerney it was only a couple weeks ago where rebel forces killed their own commander-in-chief presumably members of one tribe killing commander in chief eunice a former qaddafi loyalist. they arrested him shot him dead, his body was mangled. is there any guarantee that tomorrow will be brighter than today? >>> oo it's just an indication of the huge difficulties and unknowns that we are facing. which tribe is the 132 plus tribes over there. which tribe will gain dominance the eastern or western tribes? you have had experience with eastern tribes. it is loaded with muslim brotherhood radical islamists and some al qaeda. in the unknowns we are about to face and the stability, it is like when the dog finally catches the car that he is facing. i don't know what nato is going to do about it but i again fear that the bird enis going to be shifted back to the united states. >> up until now the united stat

he also said that the united states now recognizes the transitional national council as the governing body of lib yachl quite a strong statement ramping up the pressure for gadhafi to leave. white house officials say president obama may be on vacation, but he is getting briefed about this situation regularly by his counterterrorism advisor john brennan. then last night at 9:00 in the evening he had a conference call with some of his top advisors including his chief of staff bill daly, secretary of defense, chairman of the joint chiefs and several others. white house officials say the president will continue to get briefed about this situation today. a lot of people wondering if we're going to hear from president obama. at this point it's just not clear. white house officials say the president is not going to speak about this situation until they have 100% confirmation of what exactly is happening on the ground. getting information is quite difficult right now. some of the information coming out of tripoli is a bit murky. so again, no plans for the president to speak until the white ho

the leader of the opposition national council told reporters in benghazi on wednesday that it will launch a new administration to replace gadhafi's as soon as possible. he spoke the day after anti-government forces seized gadhafi's military compound in tripoli, effectively bringing his reign to an end. the council plans to transfer its base to the outskirts of tripoli soon. >> translator: we are offering a bounty of $1.7 million for whoever captures gadhafi. >> he also said that the council will grant special amnesty to government officials if they hand in gadhafi or kill him. but with fierce resistance by gadhafi's troops continuing in the south of the capital on wednesday, and gadhafi himself still at large, the rebel administration is not in the clear yet. >>> in tripoli, several foreign journalists held under house arrest by the libyan government have been released. some 35 reporters from the bbc, cnn, and other media were kept for five days in a government-approved hotel for foreign journalists. at least two foreign politicians were also amongst the captives. gadhafi's troops remaine

when i was general secretary of the national council of churches i was frustrated with people like pat robertson and other conservatives pat robertson was calling for the assassination of the president of the as a whale and they were making outrageous statements so a number of people were jimmy carter was jim wallace of sojourners was right. former senator there was an episcopal priest jack danforth and i all four of us wrote books that were very similar pushing back on the religious right and in my case that look middle church reclaiming the moral values of the faithful majority was pointing out that what the left hasn't done very well is evangelize the middle and if you put the religious spectrum alongside the political spectrum they're very similar those that think about the political right if you look under them you'll see the religious right and so i want to speak a word of voice to middle america middle church middle synagogue middle mosque many of whom have lost memory about the leadership of dr martin luther king and the plaques and whites and others that work so hard just fift

not getting what they wanted and the levy or those who called for and that is the transitional national council have not been chosen by the even people get the council has been recognized as a legitimate power in the view of by all allies he's been helping alst reality many leaders are outraged by that i cared for him powers that was actually made those very important choices for them the word has been going on for six months it took many lives and a lot of criticism nato is facing a deadline in september when a resolution full strikes has to be renewed and given all the violations that have taken place it would be very hard to get everyone on board for extending the campaign with what we see on the ground in libya right now is. looks like the nato has met the nato forces of method that line it's important to note that colonel gadhafi had very few friends in the international community after what he had gone through these people and the whole of the international community has been united saying that he must go he must step down all of the u.n. security council members shared that you including

they were fighting for and they leave you know those who took over and that is the transitional national council of not being chosen by the review people get the council is being recognized as legitimate power in the view by all the allies that it's been helping . many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers of the century made those very important choices for them nato has been in there. with the mission over the last six months the strike strikes a lot of criticism they killed many innocent civilians while the goal of the mission was to protect civilians nato was facing a deadline in september when a resolution full strikes had to be renewed and given all the violations that have taken place it would be very hard to get everyone on board for extending the campaign. talking to me a little earlier from washington well more now on the future of post gadhafi libya and what the future holds for the conflict torn nation i'm joined by former bush administration official michael o'brien he's live in our studio in washington d.c. mr brown thank you very much indeed for being with us so now

the statement that i was listening to in a news conference, a representative from the national cons eugs tphal councilaking earlier today. one of the things he said, we are to prove we are a moderate islamic nation that respects human rights. i thought that was an interesting statement. this has mainly been a secular situation in libya. we haven't talked about the muslim brotherhood as we have in egypt. is there something we should be talking about? is an islamic current somewhere in the unification of some of these tribes. >> it is a muslim country. i think that statement is actually quite encouraging. i hope that's what they are able to do. nato said some months ago there were al-qaida elements among the rebel forces. i think one likely scenario is a struggle among different rebel leaders to see who will emerge as the leaders of the post moammar qaddafi regime. we have a big stake in that, we won't prowestern believers in an open free society not radical islamists to take control. jenna: still in the region we've been following this story of the two american hikers imprisoned in iran. we have the u.

a very difficult thing to do, and the national transitional council has its job cut out for it, wolf.l get back to you. sara sidner doing heroic work in libya. let's bring in our national security reporter fran townsend who serves on the external and homeland security advisory board and has had extensive experience dealing with the gadhafi region. this is amazing what's going on right now. is there an insurgency potentially that's in the works? >> i think there is, wolf. you know, one of the interesting things is as the forces around gadhafi have slowly begun to disintegrate and allowed the rebels into tripoli, what you worry about these forces will take off their uniforms and live to fight another day, much like what we saw in iraq, so the potential for that is quite dangerous for the transitional national council, and one of the things that the u.s. and western european allies will have to help them as they begin to try and form a government. >> because it's amazing to me that one of the sons of moammar gadhafi, mohammed gadhafi is taken prisoner and then he escapes. here in "the si

but that really depends upon how the transitional national council the t.n.c. is able to secure the country right now there's still sporadic fighting in tripoli and as you said strict gadhafi stronghold in sirte is still up for grabs as this conflict progresses will be more clear as to what happens clearly there will still be gadhafi loyalists after the country is under control of the t.n.c. what matters is if the t.n.c. is able to provide the sort of security and policing required to prevent any sort of insurgency in the coming months yet you think they're able to i mean there are critics calling into question the ability of the n t c. to bring back order and control and you're talking about armed demands then on the street how do you think they're going to be able to do that do you think they're capable. this is one of the biggest challenges that is facing the interim government right now. with the forces that they have it's a very diverse group there are over thirty major tribes one hundred forty tribes in general there are over forty eight at last count int

the president of france has met with the head of libya's national transitional council in paris after talks behind closed doors nicolas sarkozy promised military assistance to the new libyan government for as long as they need it. has the details france becomes the first e.u. power to host the head of libya's transitional national council nicolas sarkozy said that he and nato will continue to supply military equipment to the rebels as long as they need it though he didn't mention the un resolution authorizing intervention in libya which many think actually expressly rules out military supplies to libya rebel leader. said that he sees france as a driving force in the nato campaign against gadhafi troops now the french and british have invited libya's government to a meeting on september the first with e.u. leaders adding that they will meet quote not as military allies but friends but the british prime minister's office has also released a statement saying that the meeting will help to build a free and democratic libya during wednesday's meeting sarkozy also cuts france's economic grow

supporters to get from this to run the country in a closed door meeting with head of libya's national transitional council nicolas sarkozy promised continued military assistance rebels are now in control of most of tripoli but there are still reports of resistance by government loyalists the united nations is to hold talks on bringing u.s. assets to help with the rest of. the international conference to how the new rebel government is due to take place over september the facts. france becomes the first e.u. power to host the head of libya's transitional national council nicolas sarkozy said that he and nato will continue to supply military equipment to the rebels as long as they need it no he didn't mention the un resolution the rising intervention in libya which many shrinks expressly rules out military supplies to libya the rebel leader. said that he sees a driving force in the nato campaign against gadhafi troops and now the french and the british have invited libya's government to a meeting on september the first with e.u. leaders that they will meet quote not military allies but friends but the briti

what they were fighting for and they review those who took over and that is the transitional national council of now being chosen by the review people get the council is being recognized as legitimate power in the view by all the allies that it's been helping. many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers of the century made those very important choices for them nato has been in a hurry to wrap up with the mission over the last six months the strike strikes a lot of criticism they killed many innocent civilians while the goal of the mission was to protect civilians nato was facing a deadline in september when a resolution full strikes had to be renewed and given all the violations that have taken place it would be very hard to get everyone on board for extending the campaign. for more analysis on events in tripoli former u.s. diplomat in libya john graham joins us live from the u.s. . now you are a former u.s. diplomat in libya your experience with the regime how do you think colonel gadhafi fate will play out at this point well i've said from the beginning the one thing that you

can speak freely, demonstrate freely, and freedom is in their grasp. >> do you think the national transitional council is ready, is in a position to take over, for some kind of coherent government? >> i support the transitional -- the national transitional council. i mean, they have plans for -- security plans in place. i have faith in them. i do know the libyan people support them. they are our government. >> they have quite a specific blueprint that talks about there not being a security vacuum, that there will not be a power vacuum. you feel confident that they can deliver? >> i do feel confident that they will deliver. i mean, they have done great things so far. we have seen countries all over the world recognize them. and like i said, i have faith in them. i think they will deliver. >> jane, a law student speaking to us from benghazi. thank you. >> on the bbc live from singapore and london, still to come, the caribbean council -- now u.s. authorities from north carolina to new york prepare for the worst from irene. what makes the apple -- we assess the future of the world's tallest company. let's

the court has asked libya's opposition national council to hand him over. >>> united nations se secretary-general ban ki-moon has urged gadhafi to stop fighting immediately and allow a transition of fire. >> it is crucial now for the conflict to end with no further loss of life and retribution. i call on colonel gadhafi's forces to cease violence immediately and make way for a smooth transition. >> speaking to reporters on monday in new york, ban said the u.n. stands ready to extend any assistance to the libyan people. the u.n. chief added that he will hold a meeting on libya later this week with major organizations including the africaunion, arab league and european union. now mow garr gadhafi has ruled libya for 42 years, he's the longest serving head of state in the arab world. >> reporter: gadhafi took power in 1969 at the age of 27 when he led a bloodless coup against the king. he was initially a fierce opponent of the west. and he's long been accused of repressing any opposition. in 1988, libya was blamed for the bombing of an airliner over the scottish town of lockerbie. the united nations

they were fighting for and then leave you know those who took over and that is the transitional national council of now being chosen by the league of people get the council is being recognized as a legitimate power in the view of by all the allies that has been helping. many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers of the century made those very important choices for them nato has been in a hurry to wrap up with the mission over the last six months the strike strikes a lot of criticism they killed many innocent civilians while the goal of the mission was to protect civilians nato was facing a deadline in september when their resolution full strikes had to be renewed and given all the violations that have taken place it would be very hard to get everyone on board for extending the campaign. and former bush administration official michael brown has told me that gadhafi is fate will be decided by the west but punishment will be carried out in libya. be careful what you ask for you might get it then again you may not the example of egypt that was just given they're not a they didn't get

national transitional council is trying to negotiate peaceful surrender so that further bloodshed can be avoided. >> if it does come to a battle, it will be a bloody one. the locals are loyal to gaddafi, so we would be compelled to use weapons against them. >> but the anti-gaddafi forces have been weakened. umbels of blended -- numbers have dwindled as many still in the capital, tripoli. the situation is still arduous for many people. there is a shortage of food and drinking water here power cuts have become the norm. banks have reopened and increasing numbers of police officers are back on the beach. many of the young rebel fighters are considering returning to normal life. >> we will hand over our weapons and go back to work. the best part is that we have achieved something and that we will have a new life after our victory. >> so although the practicality of everyday life is tough for many here, they still favor the ousting of gaddafi. >> we will have more of the fighting in libya later in the show, and we will also take a look at the people leading the struggle for change. the suc

this is a place where they've had more than five months of a traditional national council that's had everything from work with a wide array of political players and also learn how to collect the garbage, that it has some practical experience in governments. this is also the one country of the 22 arab members that has a very small population, 6.5 million people. and enormous oil well. this is the one place that could actually provide tangible rewards and economic gains, a country that now has 30% unemployment it in rebuilding the country and has the finances to do it. and that's not something you find in egypt with 85 million people and no oil wells. there's no other place that has the things going for it that libya does even though it's got 140 tribes, and a lot of differences that will make the transition messy. >> so give me the other side of that. >> i'm not quite so optimistic. the bureaucracy and organization that makes a government work, it is true it say the transitional national council has had these months of experience, but there will be spoilers in this. as gadhafi forces