political operations that was essentially farmed out to a new organization called the national endowment for democracy which was created in 1903 and it would do pretty much what the agency used to do it would go into one of these countries and it would support various political groups train activists deal with journalists business groups and try to advance u.s. foreign policy interests sometimes against the interests of the of the host government the target government and beyond that they received financial and other logistical help from the national endowment for democracy and other u.s. agencies that help them training activists working with journalists to get their side presented more favorably they work on things like how do you get traction how do you get things to go viral how do you then use that to generate support for your cause and support was generated with the thought that you know stuff and i am the founder of one of ukraine's new media outlets. just throw much good t.v. knew very well how to make something go viral. it was his notorious facebook post on november 21st 2013 that brought th

for our democracy. i was in tears. it troubles me. i am the chairman of the national endowment democracy, which ronald reagan funded, 35 years ago. it was amazing for me to be part of the effort of creating a climate where democracy would be spread around the world and we were the shining example, the city on the hill. today, we have tarnished, the democracy is tarnished in the world is looking at us, saying this is not right. maybe democracy is not the right way to go. it is the right way to go. i don't care whether you are left or right, up or down, get involved and help restore our democracy, our institutions and polish them so the world will recognize us as the right way to go. we don't want kleptocracy's. we want the people to have a say. that was reaffirmed last night. the speeches on the floors after the dust settled and congress got back to doing its constitutional business, remarkable speeches. the people spoke. we have a new president. he will take the oath of office. we know that as a fact. it is not a fraud. it is a fact. lisa: who's the leader of the republican par

i think t that is going to be one of the things that the national mechanic institute and the republican institute, and the endowment for democracy is going to address itself to. >> host: i'm interested to hear yourself refer to this crisis to a certain extents in the past tense. what happened here, the resilience of our democracy, do you think this is a essentially a very close call in that it is over? do you feel this could just be the beginning of a move and anti- democratic direction at least by one of the political parties here? >> guest: so i am an optimist who worries a lot. so i am worried about what you esaid. i do think that we have to be aware that this is not all over. from what i hear and read, there are those who want to continue to divide us. i will make a point of looking at issues from eight totally divisive way in terms of trying to figure how to work together. i am very encouraged by the statement that president-elect biden has been making. and he is looking for ways to unify, to understand. i do think the following thing is very important. and i was saying this when i was really talking about my fascism book.