american scientist christine grummon collect climate data here for noaa, the united states' national oceanic and atmospheric administration. >> they have these monitoring sites all over the world, and the namib desert is a site where their sampling is done for carbon dioxide. >> the air sample from this high pole is stored in these bottles and sent back to noaa in colorado for analysis. the data is used by scientists like francois engelbrecht of south africa's center for scientific and industrial research to track and model the effects of rising greenhouse gas emissions. the data shows the global temperature has increased by about one degree celsius in the last century. >> now, what is natural for the planet? when the planet moves from an ice ace into a warmer phase, then temperature tends to increase globally at a rate of about one degree celsius every thousand years, perhaps 2,000 years. so what we are looking at here is an increase in the global temperature that is taking place at a rate that is about 10 times faster than any natural process. >> to understand the future of the climate of

. >>> the national oceanic and atmospheric administration released an updated forecast for the 2013 atlantic hurricane season. and also happy birthday to roger federer who turns 32. connie stevens, 75. and oscar winner dustin hoffman turns 76. >>> keep . >>> we are following breaking news a. shooting rampage in the dallas area involving at least two different locations. we're learning children are among the victims. we'll have all the datest details next. >>> the head of one south bay school district under scrutiny accused of skroewing test resul. >>> a library sitting without any books. it could stay that way for some time. what's stopping one south bay city for opening its newest library. >>> let's take a camera shot outside. this is a live look. attempting in the darkness to see your golden gate bridge. want to talk about smooth-flowing traffic? it doesn't

. >>> all eyes on owe shown city where a nation -- ocean city where a nationwide fishing tournament, just ended. alex has details of woven the richest fishing tournaments. >> reporter: the white marlin an estimated top prize of $1.2 million. tommy jones of severna park will find out if he hooked it. >> who knew fishing was a spectator sport. every summer it turn into one in ocean city. the biggest sport fish from tunas to sharks draw prizes but the largest white marlin earns big money. the front run certificate an 83- pounder caught thursday. tommy jones of severna park caught it. >> great, happy to be here. been attending this town amount long time, my dad my family happy to be here enjoy this moment everybody. >> reporter: the tournament stretches beyond ocean city the fish are donated to the maryland food bank. >> 262 boats participated 8,000 pounds of marlin tuna and wahoo. >> anglers are given 3 days to catch what they can. >> jones under estimated his. >> high 70s, 78. very very excited to be where we are at now. >> reporter: if no one tops 83 pounds it is a million dollar catc

. >> reporter: maggie mooney-seus of the national oceanic and atmospheric administration says the recent rash of dolphin deaths is very similar to an episode that happened in 1987 when more than 900 dolphins died. in that case, a bacterial infection was mostly to blame. virginia has seen the biggest spike this summer. 42 dolphins died in july, compared to 10 in july 2011 and 2012 combined. how concerned is noaa, that this is happening? the concern here is that it's an elevated number of one species, so we are watching this very closely and collecting much information as we can. >> reporter: sometimes the dolphins are found sick but alive. this one was found trapped on a sandbar in long island but a rescue worker nursed it back to health. >> we still try to collect as much data information as we can from them. so we're hoping that there's still going to be a positive from those deaths. >> reporter: experts say the carcasses pose no potential health risk, and the affected beaches are safe. one of the biggest issues has been cleanup. each dolphin can weigh up to 500 pounds. vinita nair, cbs

the stuff picked up by -- and again if you look at the web site noem for example the national oceanic graphic says -- you will see photography with time lapsed imagery of the reduction of the art sea ice over a number of years and it really is quite striking plus it's sweet -- freezes up in the summer and it melts in the summer. each summer it doesn't freeze up quite as much as the previous winter and over many years you get the sense that the arctic sea ice is slowly, slowly quickly in some cases disappearing. the big question of course is in what year will in summer be no arctic sea ice at all? when i started working on these issues the answer from bad sign taste tend to be maybe 206060, maybe 2070 and as i worked over the years that consensus estimate has come down to 2050, 2040, 2030 and some even say it could happen as early as 2020. so there is a sense that this is something which part of the world wishes it to be a c. unchanging frozen and yet it's changing before our eyes in our lifetimes. that's a fairly remarkable thing to see. >> host: is it dangerous? >> guest: is it dange

the national oceanic and atmospheric administration says they have also seen dramatic spikes in heat and ice melt. the study doesn't cite a cause for the increase in temperatures but it finds higher greenhouse gas emissions. >>> shark week on discovery channel but one shark in the bay area doesn't want to mix out. kpix 5's ken bastida took mobile5 to san francisco's hide street pier. >> reporter: there's been a sizable looking shark lurking around the piers and around fisherman's wharf on the hyde street pier. at first glance, it looks like a great white shark. it's a sizable guy. we got that video from a tugboat skipper who says that he saw the shark and took photographs of it, as well. we wanted to find out what kind of animal this was so we took the photographs over to the aquarium of the bay and keith herbert one of the curators there said he had some biologist there work on that. >> none of us saw the animal. the animal in question upon closer inspection of the photographs appears to be a salmon shark related to great whites and commonly seen here in the bay. >> reporter: a man

report from the national oceanic atmospheric administration says last year was among the 10 warmest on record around the world. full degree were in higher than the previous record, more than three degrees higher than the 20th century average. another study found the earth's climate is currently changing at a rate far faster than any other point in the past 65 million years. theret intervention, could be an annual raise in temperature of 6 to 9 degrees. parts of china are seeing their most severe heat wave in at least 140 years. dozens have died as temperatures have hovered around 104 degrees. the heat has caused glass to crack, roads to warp, and a highway billboard to catch fire. two activists who advocated for the rights of farmers have been found shot dead. the murdered activists were part of the agrarian league. a third member is missing. victims include environmentalists murdered last week, and an indigenous rights activist killed last month. the department of homeland security has tentatively approved an asylum upon request from a group of immigrants known as the dream 9, which c

national ocean annic and atmospheric administration trimmed back the number of hurricanes they expect this year to six and nine. the forecast calls for three to five major ones, wind greater than 110 miles per hour. hurricane season started in june and runs until end of november. so far there have been four named storms. >> can i tell you something -- i am going to home depot, plugged home depot, going to buy myself a generator. always knocks out my power, just wimpy version of the hurricane. by the time it gets here. knocks out my power. >> interesting, living in new york city. never experienced that. i want up to connecticut, it is tree heaven. happens all the time. and the trees. >> getting a generator, fridge, television, one light on. >> happy man, tv and one light. sure everybody in the house is happy about the tv and one light. >> the rest of the forecast -- a day of drenching rain for kansas and the ohio valley, flash flooding across southern missouri. showers and thunderstorms from new england down to florida, heavy downpours from wyoming to new mexico. scattered showers in n

chad myers is joining me now with more on this new study released by the national oceanic and atmosphereinistration. every decade since 1970, it's been warmer than the decade before? how come? >> correct. and if you are younger than 36, you have never experienced a below normal year. >> huh? >> think about that. from 1976 to now, that's 2013, there has never been a below normal year on average across the globe. every year has been above normal. you have to go all the way back here to what we call the mini ice age back in the '70s. >> younguns have no real reverence point. >> they have -- >> you mean we. >> think about 2012. we are now -- it's called the tenth warmest year. you think at least it's not the warmest year. it's getting better. no. we have to think about this decade by decade. the warmest year ever, 2010. 2005. 1998. from the fourth year, 2003. yes, we're way down here. but if you look at these numbers there's not, like, a 1940 or a 1960 in here for the hottest years on record. this is the hottest decade on record. it keeps going up from here. and this is the -- this is the re

the national oceanic and atmospheric administration says high winds and waves contributed to dangerousborder down through northwest indiana. wgn meteorologist tom skilling is here with more. >> this is really an upside-down world. it was up to 90 degrees in alaska, 89 degrees in the yukon territory, and authorities in wisconsin.30 degrees in wisce flirting with cold temperatures. we have a couple cool days to come up. look at big sky country right here. look at this thunderstorm towering over that state. thank you for that picture. and this one is the fox river in geneva. it is reflecting the clouds. and look at this one ... these are trails of stars. what you do is let the lines open ens open and view its that track of the stars. here is a picture of the perseids meteor shower in colorado. at the bottom of the picture, that is lightning from a thunderstorm. and this one is a microburst producing thunderstorms in the travers citytraverse city. and k at a funnel cloud in illinois. our photographers are wonderful, thank you. we certainly have whether to photograph. what a gorgeous day. l

as we were talking with, the storms -- update for the season has been updated by the national oceanicospheric association. saying it has been above normal but not quite as active as first predicted. right now, the expectation is that there will be 13 to 19 named storms. of those, 6 to 9 will be hurricanes. and of there's, 3 to five could be greater. we're talking about this picking up. we're in the throes of what is considered the heat of the season. talk being middle august to roughly middle october or so. as they heat up, we expect they will continue to stay active toward the end. of course, the hurricane season for the atlantic basin is through the 30th. jessica kartalija joins us with more on the black tip reef. back inside. jessica? >> reporter: i was willing you about the corals. check this out. this is literally how it feels off the withhold. for now, i want to send it inside to bristy brez lean traffic control. >>> if you have rar brake lights. it starts at 895, going bast liberty road. northbound 95, a little busier this afternoon. delays continue up through the aberdeen regi

chu last week for an interview which coincided with a report by national oceanic and atmospheric administration, or noaa. noaa found 2012 was one of the warmerts east on record globally. >> the former secretary of energy dr. chu served on the obama administration for four years. this is one. his favorite pictures, the president with his back to the camera embracing him. now back in stanford, he faces a few challenge, leading young minds in the world of physics. >> young people have a natural curiosity and want to learn new things. i, too, want to do that. >> dr. chu was the first energy secretary with a science background. he knew who to tap for ideas and what projects to bring to the table. most of those ideas have been successful but one was not. solyndra was a growing company building solar panels. many, including those in the government, thought it would be a huge success and they received millions of dollars from the u.s. government. but they eventually filed for bankruptcy. it was a big lesson for chu. >> we have to watch as you go and disburse loans like a hawk going forward. >> the form

the national oceanic and atmospheric association has released numbers saying this could be a 70% chanceve- normal season, with 13 to 19 named storms. six to nine of those could be hurricanes. and of those, three to five could be category 3 or higher, which makes them strong or severe storms, shisay. those are major storms with winds of 111 miles per hour or greater. we'll continue to keep you posted, of course, on that. we'll be monitoring the tropics from the wjz first warning weather team. and of course, down here. it looks like things are starting to improve. they may have a lot of activity going on down here. folks may be concerned. looks like 99 problems may be something they'll be dealing with. but weather won't be one for the storms. and the showers and concerts going on tonight. back to you on television hill. >>> two attorneys are trying to back out of helping nidal hasan in his court-martial. they are ordered, however, by a judge to stay. monique griego has more. >> reporter: today, a judge ruled hassan'sa standby attorneys must continue to assist him as he acts as his own att

the national oceanic and atmospheric administration said in january in a report, that we've already raisedhe temperature enough that the ability of humans to work outdoors has been cut 10% and it will be 30% by midcentury. that's about as basic as it gets. but the second thing is the transition to the kind of world that works for everyone will be greatly aided by the transition to a world of renewable dispersed, spread out, democratic energy, a world that doesn't depend on the coke brothers and the exxons and everybody else to bring them their energy, that instead is set up so you can get it from the sun. and if you want to understand why those guys hate that world so much, just remind yourself from their point of view what the problem with the sun is. you can't meter the damn thing. >> when thinking about climate change, we are a bit like the frog in the proverbial pot of water. as the water slowly warms, the frog remains at rest adjusting to the heat incrementally until it reaches a boil. and then, then sadly, it is too late. today our global pot is filled with carbon dioxide-laden fossi

the national ocean administration showing systems never before seen. >> we depend on the ocean for halfoxygen we breathe and it is largely unknown. if we can excite people from the live sea floor to become involved in our expedition, the more we think we are raising ocean literacy. >> you, too, can be part in the broadcasts. scientists are answering pl play-by-play and answering question questions. >> we're not going to the moon, we're going to the deep sea. we know very little about the deep sea. i think our surprise and our enthusia enthusiasm, i think again resonates with people on the shoreside. they hear it, they understand it. >> you, too, can watch the underwater drama by going to ocean explorer by going to the website. it broadcasts from 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. eastern and will continue through august 16th. >> thank you. looking ahead to some of the big stories this week, we'll focus on this one monday. awaiting a verdict in the trial of alleged crime boss james whitey bulger. the jury will deliberate for a fifth day

and because of that tropical feel, we've decided to update you on the national oceanic and atmosphericinistration -- noaa's updated prediction on the tropics. things are expected to heat up here soon right smack in the middle of the season now. between the middle of august and middle of october is when it starts to heat up. noaa has updated their prediction. we are expecting now from noaa, that the season will be active. there is about a 70% chance of the season becoming above normal. which for us means there should be roughly 13 to 19 named storms. but of those, 6 to 9 of them will become hurricane. and 3 to 5 of them are expected to be major hurricanes, which is category 3, 4 or 5, with winds greater than 111 miles per hour. of course, we'll be able to keep you posted. our new wjz mobile weather lab will be able to take you on location in any place where we need to report from the scene and give you ideas on the current conditions. hopefully we're not talking damages. but certainly, we could be weathering some of those tropical storms as they make their way into the region. we'll kee

the national oceanic and atmospheric administration said in january in a report that we already raisedhe temperature enough that the ability of humans to work outdoors has been cut 10% and it will be 30% by mid-century. that's about as basic as it gets. the transition to the kind of world that works very everyone will be greatly aided by the transition to a world of spread out energy, a world that doesn't depend on the koch brothers and exons and everybody else to bring them their energy, that instead is set up so you an can get it from the sun. if you want to understand why those guys hay that world so much, just remind yourself from their point of view what the problem with the sun is. you can't meter the damn thing. >> "politics of power" airs tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. >>> when we come back, i'll talk to a republican who got booted out of congress by his own party for having the audacity to go out in public and say that climate change is real. female narrator: the mattress price wars are on the mattress price wars are on at sleep train. we challenged the manufact

suffered a record number of disasters each costing more than a billion dollars according to the national oceanic atmospheric administration-- noaa. on march 11, 2011, the 9.0 magnitude tohoku earthquake and resulting tsunami in japan caused record damage. more than 15,000 people died in the disaster, and hundreds of thousands had to evacuate the region because of several meltdowns at the fukushima nuclear power plant. the world bank estimated the cost at $235 billion making it the costliest natural disaster in history. we are facing stresses and crises around the world that frighten us. will we be able to face the future with faith? your bible gives encouraging answers to this question! your creator in heaven loves you and wants you to trust him for your future and your life. you can have faith if you seek a close relationship with your loving father in heaven. are you getting answers to your prayers? listen! your bible gives the keys to answered prayer! you need to apply the keys to answered prayer! god in heaven will hear your prayer, and he will answer you with abundant blessings, if you foll

the national oceanic atmospheric administration released state of the climate 2012, shows slowing downrctic ice this summer. i don't know, where are the global warmers out there? where is the climate change hysteria out there? we're cooling now, liz. liz: so confusing is, there is no consensus on global warming, but people say the planet is warming, the joke it is sort of like, hey, forecast is warm with the chance of stimulus, you know. charles: that's a great point. stimulus, money. that is what this is all about. money, redistribution of money, grant money. this is always a lot about money. historically the world has gone through different climates. i think the real argument, why does it happen? is it our fault? is it mankind's fault? more specifically is it the ugly american's fault? and if so they should pay up. liz: antarctic sea ice is reportedly growing. i feel like there is so much imbalance on coverage of this and we don't really know on each side of the aisle. science needs to come to consensus what is happening. charles: i don't know if you can't do it without the money sti

both for joining me tonight great to be here so according to know of the national atmospheric national oceanic and atmospheric administration they came over this new state of the climate report and last year was one of the top ten warmest years ever they said all the. you know these mile wide tornadoes and these giant storms and all this stuff this is their phrase the new normal for the planet earth and that we better get used to it and better get ready for meanwhile when the energy installation hit thirteen go it's a gigawatt is basically the output of a nuclear power plant to thirteen nuclear power plants with a wind energy in the united states and around eleven hugo watts of solar power in the united states so you know it's moving along but whatever the new normal is we've seen one point eight degrees fahrenheit of increase in temperature worldwide over the last thirty years and whatever comes down the pike through anthropogenic climate change like that means that exactly that much more is going to keep going even if we want to carbon zero right now so the new normal is actually going to ge

on thursday, the national oceanic and atmospheric administration issued its revised forecast for thefestival opens in scotland with more than 3,000 artists and performers taking part. and saturday sees an auction of music and entertainment memorabilia in dallas. it will include the first g.i. joe prototype. an opening bid of $125,000. it's also yet another week for enjoying the pleasures of summer and appreciating our blessings. that's what our contributor ben stein has been doing. >> my wife and i spend most of the summer in a beautiful, small north idaho town called sand point on an immense lake with a lovey beach and a busy line of a major railroad. several days ago i rode my bike by the beach. i saw many young people lying in the sun, swimming in the cold water looking thin and care free. youth, i said to myself. that's real wealth. i rode my bike under a rail bridge just as one of the trains passed by pulled by three powerful locomotives. they made the ground shake. the railway is majority owned by one man, warren buffet, who happens to be a good friend. to think that one man ow

national oceanic and atmospheric administration trimmed back the number of hurricanes they expect thisive major ones, wind greater than 110 miles per hour. hurricane season started in june and runs until end of november. so far there have been four named storms. >> can i tell you something -- i am going to home depot, plugged home depot, going to buy myself a generator. >> this year, you have been talking about generators. always knocks out my power, just wimpy version of the hurricane. by the time it gets here. knocks out my power. >> interesting, living in new york city. never experienced that. i want up to connecticut, it is tree heaven. happens all the time. and the trees. >> getting a generator, fridge, television, one light on. >> happy man, tv and one light. that's great. sure everybody in the house is happy about the tv and one light. >> all right, here's a look at the rest of the forecast -- another day of drenching rain for kansas and the ohio valley, flash flooding across southern missouri. showers and thunderstorms from new england down to florida, heavy downpours from wyom

gerry bell, the lead hurricane forecaster for the national oceanic and atmospheric administration. bell, how do you get a job like that? guest: it is a pleasure to be here. my specialty is studying climate patterns that affect seasonal weather, winter weather, summer weather, and hurricanes. since the late 1990's, i have been very involved with southern climate patterns and predicting the patterns that really control the hurricane activity for the season of a whole. based on that, we started making be seasonal hurricane alex back in 1998. -- hurricane outlook back in 1998. host: how can you predict the next four months of hurricanes? oflerguest: there are a couple patterns that show the way. by predicting the climate patterns come even often make a confident production about what the hurricane season will bring as a whole. that is a scientific basis between -- behind the hurricane outlook. int: can you tell us layman's terms what is the scientific basis? guest: the fundamental scientific basis is monitoring, understanding, and predicting the climate pattern that really controlled c

. >> the miami herald the national oceanic administration predicts the 2013 hurricane season might be slightly less intense than what it reported in may. we were talking off the air about all of the global environmental issues before we were on camera. while it will still be an active season experts believe there will be 13 to 19 storms, six to nine of which will be considered major. >> "usa today," the perseid meteor shower will peak this weekend with an anticipated 70 meteors per hour. listen to that. the best time to view the fireball is between midnight and dawn on sunday and monday and fly across the sky at an estimated 134 miles per hour put butt quite a show. >>> parade explores education across the country to open the discussion on changes needed in schools to better prepare students for the world we live in today and something we talk about on "morning joe" all the time. joining us now from washington, politico's patrick gavin this morning's politico playbook. patrick? >> good morning. >> it's been about three months -- >> purple sweater. >> he got the purple memo. oh, my gos

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gerry bell, the lead hurricane forecaster for the national oceanic and atmospheric administration.r. bell, how do you get a job like that? guest: it is a pleasure to be here. my specialty is studying climate patterns that affect seasonal weather, winter weather, summer weather, and hurricanes. since the late 1990's, i have been very involved with southern climate patterns and predicting the patterns that really control the hurricane activity for the season of a whole. based on that, we started making be seasonal hurricane outlooks back in 1998. host: how can you predict the next four months of hurricanes? guest: there are a couple of patterns that show the way. by predicting the climate patterns come even often make a confident production about what the hurricane season will bring as a whole. that is a scientific basis behind the hurricane outlook. host: can you tell us in layman's terms what is the scientific basis? guest: the fundamental scientific basis is monitoring, understanding, and predicting the climate pattern that really controlled conditions over the atlantic that in tu

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a nation of some 7,000 islands, between the south china sea and pacific ocean. english is the common language in a very americanized philippines. it is the heritage of 48 years of american colonial rule. the philippines is the fourth largest english speaking nation in the world and it is the largest roman catholic country in asian. 300 years of spanish rule catholozised the philippines. fortunately most in the rural areas can still live off the land. but unemployment throughout the country ranges from 26 to 40%. the modern steel and glass, if wall street of southeast asian masked the fact that the philippines has an increasing negative growth rate. investment is dropping, an estimated 11,000 a year are leaving the country a year. >> i'm really so encouraged by the response of the community. >> reporter: for the first time in 20 years, there's a true political campaign for the philippine presidency. ferdinand marcos has remained entrenched in the palace. first by rewriting law. the opposition calls them cronies who gained their wealth by demarcos favoritism. his h

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. >>> creatures of the ocean are the stars of the national aquarium. today was the grand opening of the black reef exhibit. hundreds of brightly colored fish have a new home right now. the exhibit is the world's largest replica of the great barrier reef. we give you an up close introduction to calypso, one of the reef's most popular inhabitants. >> reporter: the 260-gallon indoor pacific reef is about to be invaded. the most important thing i needed to know is that the sharks are not in. for now the black tip reef is just 4000 pieces of artificial corll, a few small tropical fish, calypso, the 500-pound sea turtle and me ready for an underwater adventure. the curator of fishing and dive safety officer at the aquarium is my instructor and guide. what should we look for? >> i would float around, be calm so the fish will come and look at you and you get to see calypso. >> reporter: we're off and headed below the surface. it is a rare, stunning up close view of what the great barrier reef would look like and almost right away we run into calypso. i have an

under the crippled fukushima nuclear power plant which is now leaking into the pacific ocean so get before the nation and timeline at r.t. dot com. and also add time to make a way. hundreds of shooting stars will dot across the sky over the next two nights had to alter dot com to read more about the huge shock. the hunger strike and gone tunnel of a prison has entered a seventh month with the inmates still struggling to change their situation with the detainees for testing indefinite detention and mistreatment also complain of invasive body searches which sometimes include sexual assault terry holbrooke's a foregone tunnel god told us how his four day job led him to quit and kind of out . we were told not to interact with them not to look at them as humans not to talk with them not to speak with them have nothing to do with them unless it was absolutely necessary important to work we were told to be very aggressive in searching growing. i don't think any of us as guards felt comfortable doing that as a result of such we didn't do that there were certain rules that we were given that many of us just d

will lead the change and what will it look like i was joined earlier by heidi big ocean executive director of the national lawyers guild from new york and brian do good technologist and open technology institute here in d.c. it and i started out by asking heidi if she thinks the n.s.a. leaks have raised enough attention to make congress pass some meaningful reform. there's no doubt that the leaks have changed the conscious ness of the country and i think that when the public is concerned hopefully that leaks up to the legislators i think it's useful to look at the overall picture which is we're in a state of perpetual war and then many of the reforms that we're hearing about which is a good thing need to be taken in that context thomas jefferson said that it's very difficult to preserve our freedom when we're in the midst of perpetual war so i think it's a great start but there are specific things that can be done and people need to pressure legislators to do them so how do you would say that this can be drawn all the way back to the from two thousand and one kind of started the ball rolling on on this ex