what we need to do that is collect information from the national safeguarding team or across the churchpendent service level agreement between the independent safeguarding board and the church of england and we signed that but they didn't sign it. so, we couldn't access any information. an independent body, surely, should have no no—go areas but we were finding ourselves in that position. yeah, i mean, we've spoken to the church of england and they've given us a response. yeah. they reject many of the accusations that you make, specifically about things like you claiming that you were told by officials that you were too survivor—focused. they say that is a complete misrepresentation of what you were told. they also say that you and steve reeves behaved in a way which made the functioning of the board pretty much impossible. and to add to that, meg munn, who was the interim chairman appointed to this board of three, she says — of you and steve reeves — "although they initially "welcomed my appointment, the two existing board members" — that is, you and reeves — "routinely ignored emails,