do you view that as a national security, and law enforcement vulnerability? >> it's clearly, it is always a concern it's always a concern for those in national for those a national security, security and in the and intelligence committee. intelligence community when you when you have a blank space, have a blank space, where there when there is a lack of information about is a lack of information people here in the about people here in the united states. united states and what they might do. and so the more that we can learn about and from the people who are coming across the border, the better. so as and, yeah, as an intelligence guy, i want to know more rather than less. and so, whether that's from interviews, from making sure they go through the process, what have you, absolutely. it's better to know more. and whether it's coming across the southern border, whether it's coming through our airports and ports, we want to know more rather than less about the people who are here in the united states. >> and do you -- finally, do you consider a lack of knowledge

is the national security structure in danger of being incapacitated during a time of crisis? >> no, i don't think that's the case. >> but if people are being overcome on west executive avenue, is that an indication that the white house and its grounds are no longer safe? ( ticking ) >> i'm lesley stahl. >> i'm bill whitaker. >> i'm anderson cooper. >> i'm sharyn alfonsi. >> i'm scott pelley. those stories, tonight, on "60 minutes." ( ticking ) >> stahl: the threat of a russian invasion of ukraine keeps escalating, as last-minute diplomacy continues. president vladimir putin says ukraine belongs with russia, and wants a promise it will never join nato, the western military alliance. but his saber-rattling has produced exactly what he was trying to prevent: more nato and u.s. troops in eastern europe. still, yesterday, ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky angrily called on the west to do more, saying this is not about war in ukraine, this is about war in europe. today president biden met with the national security council at the white house, and secretary of state blinken rep

amy: the national security council fits in because the national security council serves at the pleasuref the president. it's a policy oriented body. i think one of the things my students and many people don't realize is intelligence is not designed to make policy, intelligence is an input to policy. intelligence is not supposed to have a dog in the fight. the nse is where policy and intelligence come together, but officials should not be in the position of making policy, and if they are, the intelligence they provide becomes suspect because it could be seen as biased. susan: how much information and how makes it to the president? amy: it depends on the issue and president, and it depends on the day. there is the daily brief, whether presidents actually read it depends on the president. presidents also get information through oral briefings and increasingly today, through their phones, through all sorts of other social media accounts. there is a lot of competition for attention and information that the president receives. in the world of twitter, for example, the president can get real-t

states of america needs a real platform with information that protects our economic security, national security and health security -- who is best positioned to build that and what partner should be at the table? my answer is this has to be a public and private collaboration. it has to be across all the relevant federal agencies. it cannot be built by or for anyone federal department, including the cdc but rather, it has to provide real identification across hhs, national security council for the retention of the whole country. i believe the conversations being had at the federal level must contemplate the role of the private sector because it is incredible partnership and we saw that from covid, the private sector capabilities -- that has been a number of examples. they played a critical role. the way that i see this from a public health perspective but also from a technology perspective is that we actually have the technology today to develop a kind of data integration platform that they are referring to. i would hundred percent agree with them but it has to consider all of the capabilities t

i then pivoted after the 9/11 attacks to focus on primarily national security matters, helping the fbi reorient itself after 9/11, running homeland security counsel as president bush's security adviser and taking the same nonpartisan approach and making every decision with full regard for its effect on civil liberties. i worked closely with dhs and admire how the department established itself with exceptional leader tom ridge and how responded then to a constant stream of natural homeland security threats, i'm clear-eyed however that those tlits multiplied in the years since and that the dhs of today faces increasingly complex threat environment from nation state adversaries like russia and china and those who steal sensitive technology and cyber criminals who victimize our communities. ina is critical to meet those threats, dhs is fundamentally a department of partnerships and it is ina's mission to make those partnerships effective by ensuring relevant intelligence is fully circulated throughout the whole homeland security enterprise. ina performs a number of functions to accomplish

there's no threat to us national security and we have lots of issues going on right here at home that are unaffected,

some of the things you listed are fundamental to our national security interest. just because russia has taken this action doesn't mean we should stop caring about our own security, the well-being, the welfare, the safety, the security of the american people. you have seen for yourself at least what purports to be a list of areas where we needed to engage, we might need to engage it to pursue those core national security interests. i will leave it to your well-informed imagination but might not meet that criteria. reporter: could you point to something specific that is no longer able to be talked about with russians bilaterally because of this? it seems like almost everything one can imagine, except for, i don't know, licensing for our work to be loaned, is included. mr. price: the unprovoked russian invasion of ukraine, the condor has changed our bilateral relationship. reporter: arms talks, are they off the table? mr. price: we don't have any plans for the next iteration of the strategic security dialogue. arms control is an area, whether in the context of the jc

but it is going to meet with the national security council tomorrow. coming from zelensky and how are the allies supposed to respond to that messaging? >> thank you for having me on. i think it is a difficult situation. i think zelensky is in a tough spot right now. he is feeling very threatened. they're showing both sides of the uncertain boarding for him. i think he wants these sanctions but i think we keep talking about that will be swift and severe, made public. whereas i think the biden administration has been sort of waging what we call a hybrid warfare. against russia. a warfare of intelligence. kind of showing all of our cards, showing russia this is what we have. this is what we know. this is what we are able to obtain about you. i think zelensky is sort of ready for action. you know, we saw him meeting with macron today. i'm wondering if there is a factual situation since macron seems to be in regular contact with putin and others are. >> josh, is there any sense that the white house tonight ... that they are still maintaining a belief that d

these boards include the defense innovation board, the national security education board, the national security agency emerging technologies panel, the advisory board for the national reconnaissance office, the army education advisory committee, the education for sea power advisory board, the board of visitors for the western hemisphere institute for security cooperation, the strategic environmental research and development program scientific advisory board, and the board of regents uniformed services, university of the health sciences. positions for these boards will be filled in coming weeks, clearly keep you up to date on that. the department's boards and committees have been and will continue to be a valuable resource as we defend the nation take care of our people and succeed through teamwork. and i know that the secretary and all our department leadership look forward to working with these advisory boards going forward. finally, in light of all that, i'd like to announce that the secretary has nominated mr. michael bloomberg to serve as the chair of the defense innovation board.

they have no respect for national security team. and with the national security team.hen to such an extent they are not even worried about what we are going to do. but then this is putin massing the troops under the most qualified general under the most ruthless general with that cross-border invasion and not look at it in those terms is a huge mistake. and then more clever than the other guy. and then the ineffective leaders and that is how he will beat us. great to have you with us. i appreciate it. much more up ahead. and, by switching you could even save 665 dollars. hey tex, can someone else get a turn? yeah, hang on, i'm about to break my own record. yeah. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪ >> woman: what's my safelite story? only pay for what you need. i'm a photographer. and when i'm driving, i see inspiration right through my glass. so when my windshield cracked, it had to be fixed right. i scheduled with safelite autoglass. their experts replaced my windshield and recalibrated my car's advanced safety system. ♪ acoustic rock m

a front row seat to democracy. ♪ >> next the house oversight and reform subcommittee on national's of -- securityolds a hearing on how the u.s. can help defend eastern europe from russia. richard, the former acting director of national intelligence during the trumpet ministrations. this is an hour and -- trump administration, this is an hour and 45 minutes. >> examining russia's continuing aggression into stabling -- destabilizing activity in eastern europe. a russia has amassed on the side of troops along ukraine borders and has the country virtually surrounded including russian occupied crimea, which was seized and annexed illegally in 2014. yesterday president biden warned that a russian invasion of ukraine remained distinctly possible, although we are hearing different stories from putin himself. president biden has rightly

you run the national security division. the department has said these prosecutions are one of their highest priorities. this man was on the most wanted page for six months. do you really expect us to believe you have never heard the name ray epps, you don't know anything about him? mr. olsen: i simply don't have any information at all about that individual. sen. cotton: what other suspects on the most wanted page do you know nothing about? mr. olsen: senator -- sen. cotton: can you name anyone else on the department of justice's most wanted page? mr. olsen: i'm sorry, i didn't hear. sen. cotton: can you name anyone else on the department of justice's most wanted page from the january 6 riots? mr. olsen: i am not familiar with the most wanted page. sen. cotton: i guess we have to seek our answers elsewhere. this has not been a stellar performance today. >> senator whitehouse, are you online? please proceed. sen. whitehouse: mr. olsen, as a legal matter, are violent acts and threats of violence protected by the first amendmen

witnesses for us to help assess our readiness to protect americans from biological threats to national security, including the department of homeland securities ability to detect, mitigate,se and deter these threats. we will also discuss how this committee can work to ensure dhs's countering weapons of mass destruction, or cwmd, office and other government programs tasked with tackling biological threats, have the resources and tools needed to fulfill their mission. biological threats can emerge from any number of disease-causing agents such as bacteria, viruses, or toxins. whether naturally occurring, accidental, or deliberate in origin, these agents can be used to harm humans, plants, and animals.n we have seen how naturally occurring biological threats, such as the virus that causes covid19, can significantly harm our communities if we are not adequately prepared for them. we also face threats from biological weapons that have been manufactured and weaponized for the purpose of deliberately targeting americans.s. for example, we have seen bad actors deliberately use anthraxe ricin, and other

the national security council of russia had a televised event. they broadcast this highly choreographed session of the security council in russia in which they were discussing the possibility that vladimir putin and his top officials of recognizing those rebel republics in the east of ukraine as independent states. it's something that's been sort of in the background for a long time. nuts it's now coming to the foreground. if russia does recognize the rebel republics as independent states, it will do so through an act of its own parliament and presumably be allowed if they invid russian troops to come in, deploy its forces and argue this is not in violation of international law. now the united states and the ukrainians have made it clear that they would -- they believe that that would be a gross violation of the ukrainian territorial integrity and sovereign too and there would be consequences for that in terms of punishment, if you like, for russia doing that. but i think the chances are, and this may be part of vladimir putin's calculus, that the

gurmet: you mentioned the integration of technology and national security. we are seeing the center of technology and foreign policy. indiana is trying to drive the national conversation between the heartland and what is happening overseas. do you think the congress broadly appreciates that connection? mr. young: i don't, and i think it is important for republicans and democrats at the federal level to make that argument so that our constituents understand. i also think increasingly, as we consider the u.s. innovation and competition act, a regular bipartisan process, collates will have a heightened level of understanding about exactly how the domestic tech and competitive strengths of our economy complement our national security strength. and vice versa. this has been the case over the years but unless we are having that formalized conversation through committees of jurisdiction and by allowing our house and senate to breathe through an amendment process, members are not fully engaging. our system does work good we did this in the u.s. senate when we passed

national security interest, and that is promoting democracy, not through military power but by leading- but through leading by example into supporting strong institutions with respect for human rights. i saw these problems in the prior administration. the u.s. has a tendency to talk well about democracy and human rights, but not always act to fulfill those values. i see this as a long-standing problem and my hope is now, as you see the biden administration talking up democracy, that we will follow through with our actions. host: your book is called "the dissent channel, american diplomacy in a dishonest age." why is it a dishonest age? guest: what i have seen in my experience inside the state department under different administrations, i have seen is talk a lot about our values and i have seen actions that do not support that. i go back to coups, you really see that pattern. we talk about the need to promote strong democracies, but leading with counterterrorism efforts across west africa, so our actions are not reinforcing democracy, they are reinforcing military leadership in the gove

they all impact our national security. so today i look forward from hearing to our witnesses about how a full year cr could effect modernization, slow our ability to retire ineffective programs and how it would be an inefficient use of taxpayers dollars. by directing billions of dollars to purposes that are out of date, such as a war in afghanistan which we're no longer fighting. we have a lot to cover. and so now i will turn to the gentlemen from california. the ranking member mr. calvert, for his opening remarks. mr. calvert. >> thank you madam chair and happy new year and i also want to recognize general oranaro, not only was he a great patriot, good friend of this committee and we certainly thank him and his family for his lifetime of service. i want to thank all the witnesses for being here today. while i look forward to hearing from senior leaders here today, i'm disappointed there is a need to have this hearing. since i've joined the subcommittee i've been very vocal about the damage done by our inability to pass de

russian scholars and experts, our own contributor mike mcfarlane knows this so well, former national securitytin is a bothersome speech. he's denouncing vladimir lenin and communism saying it was the fall of and putting in place security n. so he can come to the defense and say i'm not invading, obviously to moscow and his wishies so this is all a setup so he wouldn't say and the white house says do we declare it an invasion and i think toys office that it would. provide new investment trade and financing from people from, to or in the separatist region. what's the practical impact of a move like that? >> well, this is a fairly proportional step in 2014 when you had the annexation of crimea. there were similar sanctions put in place by the obama white house at the time in conjunction with europe focused on crimea that essentially tries to cut off any of the leaders in that area, anybody who is involved in doing business in that area and trying to cut off frankly these russian invented people's republic from the pro bowl economy. these are not the russian sections on uncertain specific respons

table in the room and full members from the national security team on screen. he received an update from defense, intel, his diplomatic team about the status on the ground and has been remained closely engaged with them throughout the day. he had a g7 meeting that lasted a couple hours this morning and also spent an hour this afternoon on the phone with the leaders in congress, briefing them on the situation on a secure call, answering questions they had as well. that has been his day to date. he is continuing to focus on other priorities as president. reporter: picking up on that foreign leader call today, the president spoke to president zelensky. sec. psaki: there has not been another call to president zelensky. he will continue to have calls with leaders. we will keep you abreast as those happen. reporter: the russian objective right now is to decapitate the ukrainian government. does the u.s. believe -- [indiscernible] sec. psaki: we will not get into security questions, but we are in touch with is in zelensky and working to provide him a range of support.

the sanctions package the deputy national security advisor put forward? teeth and the things that were really hurt putin if he was trying to prevent war. specifically it will not go after the energy industry as much as we would need to for this to be real. i definitely do not war but as we always talk about on your show, strong presidents like trump laid out for different things over four years that in my opinion stop putin from the behavior he is exhibiting today. all you see is biden and secretary blinking to stand up and say they will invade and we will sanction them but that is enough with the talk we want some action. steve: you are not far off. they did blink by the way. that is my interpretation. going back and forth between moscow and paris for weeks trying to broker a deal. >> which is exactly what putin wants. steve: exactly. that is what i am building up to. to. he has his election and a couple of months he was couple of months he was initially is a great statesman so mccrone gets what he wants and then now they are playing biden like a fiddle.

what did we learn from that, you know, clearly staged national security meeting? >> andrea, reclusive is right. in fact, the advisers that were sitting in front of president putin today, few of them, the number we saw are really in his inner circle and what we saw today was putin wearing that familiar unreadable, adviser after adviser stood up to tell him whether he thought he should recognize those break away regions of eastern ukraine, and again and again, telling him perhaps what he wanted to hear, saying that he should recognize those regions, and even the former prime minister and president dmitry medvedev saying ukraine doesn't need those. finishing that meeting, broadcast on television, first appeared to be live but then appeared to be recorded. the defense minister watch showing a different time to when it was on russian tv. just adding to the sense of theatrics of the whole thing. president putin saying that he will make a decision soon. that decision could trigger a war because the regions that they're talking about are actually wider than the area that

i mean, if that's his definition of us national security, then sure. but in terms of the american people, we have far bigger issues going on at our southern border or economic crisis. our supply chain, crisis, people losing their jobs. we have lots of issues going on right here at a home that are affecting our danger to us national security. so i don't think any american knows what he's talking about and how something that is going on between ukraine don't boss region and russia's recognition of their own independence in any way affect us national security. i think the american people see through that far, far easier of jennifer. thank you very much for your time and anal assistance. this development situation. this is jennifer breeding to master legal analyst. thank you . thank you. now recognition of the independence of the 2 regions has given residents something to celebrate. amid the terrified daily ordeal of hiding from shelling or corresponding rod goes, dia brings us the latest on life in the newly recognized republic of. don't you ask . there i

joe biden spoke with french president emmanuel macron following a meeting with his national securitym. the administration is still hoping for a diplomatic off ramp, warning russia could pay a steep price if it chooses war. joe biden convened his national security team at the white house to discuss the escalating crisis between ukraine and russia. >> everything we're seeing tells us that the decision we believe president putin has made to invade is moving forward. >> reporter: secretary of state antony blinken on "face the nation," not ruling out a last-ditch effort at diplomacy. >> joe biden has made very clear that he's prepared to meet vladamir putin at any time and any format. if that can help prevent a war. >> reporter: while russia denies it will attack ukraine -- >> there is no invasion and no such plans. >> reporter: it continues a buildup along the ukrainian border, amassing as many as 190,000 troops and extending military drills with neighboring belarus. a u.s. official also confirms to cbs news intelligence shows russian units have received orders to proceed with an invasio

he formerly served as the director for russia on the us national security council. he's now at the center for naval analyses where he's an expert on russia and you asia welcome to d w. sure. we realize this is a guessing game, but hopefully an educated one with you on board tonight. what's your assessment of russia's intentions as things stand now? will russia launch a full scale invasion of ukraine? in your opinion? i think that they will. i think that you don't need that. the size, you don't need over 70 percent of your military on ukraine's work to just recognize 2 areas that you already controlled. i think that he packed up went home. now he will achieve none of his, his goals, and you would still have us no security support to ukraine. you wouldn't to factor close nato's open door policy. and so i think he's probably going on to a major operation that goes all the way to the capital. so you think that he's an intention is not to take those 2 thirds additional areas in the east that those separatist areas claim to be entitled to. but you're talking about a full

here is president biden's national security advisor jake sullivan. mr.livan: we continue to see signs of russian escalation including new forces arriving at the ukrainian border. as we have said before, we are in the window when an invasion could begin at any time should vladimir putin decide to order it. i will not comment on the details of our intelligence information, but i do want to be clear, they could begin during the olympics, despite spec addition that it would only happen after the olympics-- speculation that it would only happen after the olympics. as we have said before, we are ready either way. we are ready to continue results-oriented diplomacy that addresses the sacred concerns of the united states, russia, and eupe it we are ready to respond decisively along those allies and partners should russia choose to take military action. our response would include severe economic sanctions with similar packages imposed by the european union, the united kingdom, canada, and other countries. it would also include changes to nato and american force f

all of this by making is reliant on foreign manufacturing and what advance w our national security becausey have blown up everything that by strengthening domestic supply chain and increasing production, not only rising cost but also advance our national security. there are other crucial priorities the senate must also but then the thoughts will continue and over the course of thisor week we'll get the men and women confirm as quickly as possible. along the three individuals include to but then the senate will also work but i will sit down with a number of have to discuss the state definitions and then to make sure that can't congress

secretary general of the united nations following the discussion that was being held at the united nations security council, a very heated discussion that was held there. i want to go straight to she hubbard tansy, who's at the united nations for us in new york in all the years that we have been covering meetings at the united nations security council. this has to rank as one of the most intense and in many ways, belligerent that we have seen between several of the main countries who are taking part there. right, no shoes or slapped on any tables. but yes, i've included these were rather and passions impassioned speeches and the ukranian ambassador clearly hazard as of deerbrook, the turn of phrase that he likes to employ, which, which can be very, very affecting. having said that, though, no, the question is always, well, so what we, where does this go from here, sir? having failed to get the resolution it was seeking at the security council. the u. s. ambassador suggested that she would, would be that asking for an emergency session of the un general assembly. there is a mechanism specifically fo

we got a national security council meeting going on in washington. we got the un security council coming together. yes. in new york, this is possibly one of the biggest diplomatic crises slash conflicts that we've had in perhaps a decade or so. maybe a generation maybe. what is your message to vladimir putin to day? or could have 2 messages. one for the world community, absolute. the 2nd for that dinner party for the world community dissertation we're facing now is the evidence off week and insufficient direction at the 1st aggressive acts of the pollutants, russia in georgia in trans nice area. and then ukraine showed the world. the community was stuff much more tougher these that days we will. we would never seen these situations. that is why we have to be decisive, strong and united. this is a message for europe. ian's, for letting me put him, mr. put him roja. troops. don't spend the money off rush and ben juniors for this military games and stuff, in fact, built toilets as a terror, 300 kilometers from moscow. they have al jazeera english in the

i levels of commitment based on national security. come together and be prepared to take steps that may even impede her own economies which is a demonstration of commitment of standing up against this type of aggression against the democracy. but you think might happen, obviously the us intelligence what is going on behind the scenes but what is your gut feeling about what we might see in the coming days and weeks? ., u, we might see in the coming days and weeks? ., ., weeks? someone can look at it and sa it's weeks? someone can look at it and say it's very — weeks? someone can look at it and say it's very wrong _ weeks? someone can look at it and say it's very wrong but _ weeks? someone can look at it and say it's very wrong but i _ weeks? someone can look at it and say it's very wrong but i will - weeks? someone can look at it and say it's very wrong but i will for - weeks? someone can look at it and say it's very wrong but i will for a i say it's very wrong but i will for a while now, it sounds as though russia is on a path to inva

joining us now to talk about this is cnn national security analyst and former direct osh of nationalw much impact might these images have in adding to u.s. confidence that an invasion is truly now eminent? >> well, pam, i think it's kind of over but the shouting. there are not many more indications and warnings that we're going to get, and if the latest imagery shows a move towards the borders, well, that's about it. i am really struck as an old intel guy by the public use of intelligence which is a great thing. >> yeah, it has been a noticeable difference from 2014 in crimea to now and the way officials are putting out this intelligence including the latest we have according to multiple sources that the kremlin has given orders to proceed with an invasion but, also, our sorurces are orsay th go could be withdrawn or could be meant to mislead and confuse allies. what do you think is going on right now? >> i have a tendency to take this at face value. it's hard to believe you have 190,000 troops, three-quarters of the russian conventional military, around ukraine and now for russia to

on and in ways that would harm the national security we would be concerned by. we are in touch about the proposal and efforts more broadly in this regard but again we will keep working through congress and with leaders there and that is the focus at this point. >> [inaudible] iran and venezuela with more supplies into the market? >> let me outline for you he asked me this question yesterday and i wanted more details to i'm just coming back to it a little bit. the president is focused on doing everything we can to address the squeeze we know gas prices can have on families. as he said, supplying oil around the world should be keeping up with the demand as we exit the pandemic, so there's a couple of areas we are focused on and you're familiar but let me outline them from here, and gauging one as oil producing and consuming countries. the discussions are happening right now. with oil-producing countries we are talking about proposed production increases with oil consuming countries we talk about releases from strategic reserves. we are not going to outline every c

has identified nine possible russian routes into ukraine in a full-scale invasion, and here's national security adviser, jake sullivan. >> what scenarios would you put american troops to rescue and get americans out? >> we're not, that's a world war -- >> to see signs of russian escalation, including new forces arriving at the ukrainian border. as we said before, we are in the window of when an invasion could begin anytime should vladimir putin decide to order it, and i want to be clear, it could begin during the olympics despite a lot of speculation that it would only happen after the olympics. as we have said before, we are ready either way. we are ready to continue results-oriented diplomacy that addresses the currency concerns of the united states, russia and europe consistent with our values, and we continued to make that clear with russia and close coordination with the european partners. our response would include severe economic sanctions with similar packages imposed by the european union, the united kingdom, canada and other countries. it would also include changes to nato and america

didn't use the word invasion this morning, the national security visor said invasion. the president said invasion. what changed in the last 24 hours that changed the u.s. government assessment of what actually happened? >> just to set precedent, i am not going to be confirming military movements from the podium now, or that any point -- or at any point. what i can tell you is we looked at the events of the less than 24 hours. what we have seen is president putin setting up a rationale to take more territory by force. what we are basing that on, based on the comments of the national security advisor this morning on the president's comments later in the afternoon was vladimir putin announced yesterday that he was planning to carve out a chunk of ukraine by recognizing two regions as a -- independent. he brazenly asserted these regions were no longer part of ukrainian sovereign territory. he sent russian forces deployed. he sought authorization for the russian military to use force outside of russian territory. today he asserted that these regions extend deeper into ukrai

joined by national security correspondent david martin.e you with us again, david. the president is very clear he is convinced by u.s. intelligence that this invasion will happen, that president putin decided to do it. how is he that certain? >> because the intelligence says that russian troops have actually received orders now to proceed with the invasion. so not only are they moving up closer and closer to the border and to these attack positions, but the commanders on the ground are making specific plans for how they would maneuver in their sector of the battlefield. they're doing everything that american commanders would do once they got the order to proceed. >> brennan: we know vladimir putin himsf many options. is the option he seems to be setting himself up for? how does this play out? >> well, he is definitely giving himself the option for a full-scale invasion of the country, which would begin with the attack on the capital o kyiv. >> brennan: with an aerial assault? >> well, a cyber-assault to begin with. but it will look much li