but first, the tense line between personal privacy and national security has been an issue since 9/11. few agencies are more secretive or more involved in sensitive global intelligence collection and analysis than the national security agency. which must deal with this delicate issue on a daily basis. nsa technical experts must keep the nation safe complying with all rules and regulations. the man heading up the effort to quote keep the spies in line as some say is john delong. nsa's first ever compliance director. john welcome to the program. >> thanks for having me on the show. >> so let's starlet out. i mean -- start out. i mean the stereotype is that the national security agency can spy on anybody it wants to spy on and can do anything that it wants but you guys are really in a delicate spot as an intelligence agency who has to cope with this issue daily. why was your job created and how do you make sure that nsa stays in line with all personal privacy regulations as they exist? >> great. first i think it's important to define what compliance is. lots of different ways. i like to think about it

new york city for the trial i had the honor of sitting down with thomas drake is a former national security agency employee and whistleblower of a wiretapping program called trailblazer in which he claims is a violation of our privacy and as a result of him speaking out he was declared an enemy of the state and charged under the espionage act and ever since he's been a prominent voice for civil liberties and the rights of whistleblowers take a look. and. is just another step since the post nine eleven era. another step in the. erosion of the us constitution and the rise of not just enough security state but secret government. executed through through for yacht executive rule. when you came out as a whistleblower and you were prosecuted for it and targeted i mean how did it feel to have the same establishment that you had dedicated so much of your life working for come down on you total betrayal is important no i took an oath four times to sort of find the constitution that oath was not was not an oath to the president it was not an oath to law it was not an oath of secrecy it was not a to the end

new york city for the trial i had the honor of sitting down with thomas drake is a former national security agency employee and whistleblower of a wiretapping program called trailblazer which he claims is a violation of our privacy and as a result of him speaking out he was declared an enemy of the state and charged under the espionage act and ever since he's been a prominent voice for civil liberties and the rights of whistleblowers to take a look. like and. is just another step since the post nine eleven era. stop and the erosion of the u.s. constitution and the rise of not just enough security state but secret government. executed through through for yacht executive rule. when you came out as a whistle blower and you were prosecuted for it and targeted i mean how did it feel to have the same establishment that you had dedicated so much of your life working for come down on you total betrayal. is important to note i took an oath four times this one from the constitution that oath was not it was not an oath to the president it was not an oath to law it was not an oath of secrecy it was not a to t

new york city for the trial i had the honor of sitting down with thomas drake is a former national security agency employee and whistleblower of a wiretapping program called trailblazer which he claims is a violation of our privacy and as a result of him speaking out he was declared an enemy of the state and charged under the espionage act and ever since he's been a prominent voice for civil liberties and the rights of whistleblowers to take a look. like. is just another step since the post nine eleven or. other stop and the. erosion of the us constitution and the rise of not just the national security state but secret government. executed through through for yacht executive rule. when you came out as a whistleblower and you were prosecuted for it and targeted i mean how did it feel to have the same establishment that you had dedicated so much of your life working for come down on you total betrayal is important no i took an oath four times to support if in the constitution that oath was not was not an oath to the president it was not an oath to law it was not an oath of secrecy it was not a to en

new york city for the trial i had the honor of sitting down with thomas drake is a former national security agency employee and whistleblower of a wiretapping program called trailblazer in which he claims is a violation of our privacy and as a result of him speaking out he was declared an enemy of the state and charged under the espionage act and ever since he's been a prominent voice for civil liberties and the rights of whistleblowers to take a look. like and. is just another step since the post nine eleven era. stop and the erosion of the u.s. constitution and the rise of not just the mass security state but secret government. executed through through for yacht executive rule. when you came out as a whistle blower and you were prosecuted for it and targeted i mean how did it feel to have the same establishment that you had dedicated so much of your life working for come down on you total betrayal. is important no i took an oath four times this one from the constitution that oath was not it was not an oath to the president it was not an oath to law it was not an oath of secrecy it was not a to t

new york city for the trial i had the honor of sitting down with thomas drake is a former national security agency employee and whistleblower of a wiretapping program called trailblazer which he claims is a violation of our privacy and as a result of him speaking out he was declared an enemy of the state and charged under the espionage act and ever since he's been a prominent voice for civil liberties and the rights of whistleblowers take a look. like and. is just another step since the post nine eleven era. stop and the erosion of the us constitution and the rise of not just the mess here the state but secret government. executed through through for yacht executive rule. when you came out as a whistle blower and you were prosecuted for it and targeted i mean how did it feel to have the same establishment that you had dedicated so much of your life working for come down on you total betrayal. is important no i took an oath four times to sort of find the constitution that oath was not was not an oath to the president it was not an oath to law it was not an oath of secrecy it was not a to the end ou

particular respect to the technology of the national security agency and others. that if we ever found ourselves in a similar scenario in the future would we able be able to pull ourselves back across the rubicon because it might be too late well speaking of too late do you think that not only the egregious erosion of their our civil liberties systematically so far after an event like nine eleven but that coupled with the corporate state that actually profits off this the surveillance state all of these these military industrial complex corporations i mean have we gone too far or really repealed is now that we have this corporate marriage between government profiting off these aversions i hope not but it's an unholy alliance and it's clearly entering into a period where not only do we lose our constitutional rights it's actually the rise of corporate government state which some would use another word to describe that which is a form of fascism or soft tyranny you can't have a government violin the constitution in secret and then forming all these alliances with co

new york city for the trial i had the honor of sitting down with thomas drake is a former national security agency employee and whistleblower of a wiretapping program called trailblazer which he claims is a violation of our privacy and as a result of him speaking out he was declared an enemy of the state and charged under the espionage act and ever since he's been a prominent voice for civil liberties and the rights of whistleblowers take a look. like and. is just another step since the post nine eleven era. other stop and the erosion of the us constitution and the rise of not just enough security state but secret government. executed through through for yacht executive rule. when you came out as a whistle blower and you were prosecuted for it and targeted i mean how did it feel to have the same establishment that you had dedicated so much of your life working for come down on you total betrayal. is important to note i took an oath four times the support from the constitution that oath was not was not an oath to the president it was not an oath to law it was not an oath of secrecy it was not a to

new york city for the trial i had the honor of sitting down with thomas drake is a former national security agency employee and whistleblower of a wiretapping program called trailblazer which he claims is a violation of our privacy and as a result of him speaking out he was declared an enemy of the state and charged under the espionage act and ever since he's been a prominent voice for civil liberties and the rights of whistleblowers take a look. like and. is just another step since the post nine eleven or. other stop and the. erosion of the us constitution and the rise of not just enough security state but secret government. executed through through for yacht executive rule. when you came out as a whistleblower and you were prosecuted for it and targeted i mean how did it feel to have the same establishment that you had dedicated so much of your life working for come down on you total betrayal is important no i took an oath four times the support and the constitution that oath was not was not an oath to the president it was not an oath to law it was not an oath of secrecy it was not a to the end

aided and abetted by your local network provider see even wired up its circuit direct to the national security agency to take joint sold themselves as anti establishment in nineteen eighty-four uppal was this freedom fighter slaying big brother but in twenty thirteen big brothers no i pulled in the sort of. subsequent rich mogul is the only one doing this company's you know basically let's take a step back there are the policies by the companies that basically say you have no privacy an example of that would be facebook they can sell your data monitor your data they change your policies all the time and they've made those changes with very little or no notification to the users even china hasn't had the ability to monitor their citizens with such depth and breadth as a company like google how did by feds constantly. comb plans an end to the government's spying capability my goal is within the next five. years i want to encrypt half of the internet you know just. reestablish a balance between a person an individual and the state because right now we're living a very close to this vision of george all

done about the fourth amendment, when we think of the warrantless eavesdropping for the national security agency. there was the killing and some people have no problem with that. and what about this teenage son to weeks later, also an american citizen. he talks about due process. the amendment talks about a speedy trial. well, i am not talking about that, but the fact of the matter is we are approaching three years since he has been in jail and the trial is supposed to start in june. so that amendment certainly comes into play. the other night i saw "zero dark thirty", which to me started the wrong kind of debate. the debate should be whether we should be engaged in torture were not. the movie has a message, and fortunately even though he gives a very implicit but indirect connection, the fact of the matter is that we learn nothing from the torture and the use of waterboarding that had any important relationship to the killing of osama bin laden. one person from the cia was the retired operations officer who had been allowed to run around, talk about the importance of torture, is josÉ rodriguez,

sort of their equivalent of the national security agency or our cyber command which is located at the national security agency in fort mead. >> rose: carmen alexander, is it. >> that's right. and the american facility is both about monitoring what's happening around the world and the tax community in the united states and are growing all kinds of capability. we can come back to that much in the chinese case what's been interesting is that most of their attacks until recently have not been on government institutionsor even the media. they've been on american corporations sweeping up bytes of data whether it is lockheed company. >> rose: the new york sometimes. >> that's part of the interesting change in recent times that we have seen attacks on the times, the post and the "wall street journal." we suspect it wasn't this unit not the unit we wrote about, a different group. we suspect that they were looking for sources of stories that david, one of my colleagues wrote about the chinese. we don't know that for a fact but just looking at the patterns -- right. series of pieces about the fo

he already lost out on a research internship with the national security agency. >> i wanted to exploreey can offer me. but it's the fact that i can't even have that chance to explore. >> reporter: park's mother brought him here from south korea on a visa. she is still waiting. >> she knows there's risk. she always keeps low . that's why she's been telling me to -- >> stay under the radar. >> right. for the first eight years. >> reporter: park is currently protected under california's law that allows immigrant children who arrive in the u.s. under age 16 to stay as long as he's in school. that doesn't apply nationwide, and an estimated 2.1 million students are in the same predicament. like his friend who just graduated berkeley, hong's status prevents him from getting a job. >> we know we contribute back to our society and we pay taxes and will make a positive difference in the lives of others. >> reporter: the youtube video was produced by a group led by the widow of apple cofounder steve jobs. park says his face shows the human side of the immigration reform debate. >> you're taking a

i think the government has trying to find ways to share the know-how the national security agency and the pentagon have with the private sector. the government has invested for a long time in cyber defenses. their defenses are much better than the defenses around the private sector. >> paul: everybody we talk to the u.s. government has a cyber command and they have done a good job to hearten their system but the private sector does not do nearly, as well. should we make this real priority in dealing with china? >> it has to be. because intellectual property is the property of the future. if the chinese are going to continue to steal it, we have to stop them. >> paul: thanks to you both. we have to take one more break. hits and misses of the week. th. [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. ok. [ voice of dennis ] silence. are you in good hands? begins with back pain and a choice. take advil, and maybe have to take up to four in a day. or take aleve, which can relieve pain all day with just two pills. good eye. spen

even would up at circuit direct to the national security agency or take john sold themselves as anti establishment in nineteen eighty-four paul was this freedom fighter big brother with him twenty thirty big brothers no. sort of. subsequently this rich mogul is the only one doing this company's you know basically and let's take a step back there are the policies by the companies that basically say you have no privacy an example of that would be facebook they can sell your data monitor your data they change your policies all the time and they've made those chain. it is with very little or no notification to the users even china hasn't had the ability to monitor their citizens with such depth and breadth as a company like google hounded by feds constantly web. comb plans an end to the government spying capability my goal is within the next five year five years i want to encrypt half of the internet you know just. reestablish a balance between a person an individual and the state because right now we're living very close to this vision of george all and i think it's not the right way yo

about that because that's a felony that's a felony he's the guy that's not only running the national security agency he's going to do cyber security offensive capability so what i'm saying here is integrity counts if you get this kind of people running our cyber security well these toys are going to be used in a way that americans probably don't wish them to be used now the first time that we saw something really dramatic out on the in the cyber world was really was the stuxnet and iran in that we weren't supposed to find out about it now do you want to see it has to in order for a president to go to war they have to get the approval of congress normally but when it comes to cyber aggressions they don't need better probles so much the way that they don't need approval with drone strikes is this a way for the president to get around or for not just president obama but for future presidents they're going to around the idea of war without actually going to congress. well i have to admit that if we have a president who violates the fifth the ban that no person shall be deprived of flight for liberty or

built and a unit of the people's liberation arm their cyber university equivalent of our national security agency has this big three-story building -- gwen: coincidentally. >> you have to believe that they're operating from inside that building or from the noodle shops around it. the chinese government denied they had anything to do with this. but this made it harder for the obama administration which is try to avoid directly criticize the chinese in public even though they raised this many times in public. >> you know, let me ask you a question about another cyber story. you broke a big story on a virus in iran. and there was a lot of consternation about this story and a big leak in the story about how you got the information. how is it different than what china is doing to us? what happened to the leak investigation? did you get subpoenaed. >> we think that's still going. you raise a fascinating question, which is if the united states is doing this, how can we often criticize other countries? the u.s. doesn't admit to owning cyber weapons either just as the chinese don't. it makes it very hard

of a police state the united states has become you know ten years ago the thought of the national security agency spying on american citizens and intercepting their emails would have been anathema to americans and now it's just part of normal business. the idea that that our government would be using drone aircraft to assassinate american citizens who have never seen the inside of a courtroom who have never been charged with a crime have not had due process which is their constitutional right would have been unthinkable and it's something now that happens every every so often every few weeks every few months and there is no public outrage i think this is a very dangerous development. are you watching that we can hear a nazi with me will research i still ahead for you in this hour fighting to stay afloat we'll take a look at how one of britain's oldest local shops has found a way to survive against the domination of super stores and an ever struggling economy. but for now a bug areas government is expected to suspend the russian finance construction of a nuclear power plant and this comes after a

the national security agency above the law or a brian to the point of of political activism if the people who participated in the boston tea party and seven hundred seventy three hundred two hundred forty years ago this year if their identities had been no i mean it was george roberts hughes who brilliant fifty years later wrote the what was the one person who outed his own identity as one of the members of the boston tea party and names two others who were dead but basically to this day we don't know who else was there other than probably sam adams because he kind of bragged about it but if their identities had been known. we would have there never would have been an american revolution there never would have been the boston tea party there never would have been the protests that led to the founding of this country and i'm not putting this the context of arguing in favor of violent revolution which is ultimately what happened but even political protest how can you have political protest without anonymity. i'm glad you brought this up because this whole idea of a biometric id is so anathe

had with william binney a mass imitation of spying software expert who had worked for the national security agency for decades and who told us that the government is spying on people on a much larger scale and building social networks is part of it take a listen they were building social networks. who who is communicating and with whom inside this country so that your entire social network of everybody of every us citizen was being compiled. over time so they're taking it from one company alone or roughly three hundred twenty million records a day that's over time that that's probably cumulated up to close to twenty trillion over the years mr binney blew the whistle on this n.s.a. program saying it is a blatant violation of the constitution but with this riot software one can argue that they can see information that individuals have already chosen to make public they put it out there and most people know that privacy safeguards that for example facebook provides don't hold water really and yet people trust to share so if you don't want someone to be able to map out your entire life and to be able

of a police state the united states has become you know ten years ago the thought of the national security agency spying on american citizens and intercepting their emails would have been anathema to americans and now it's just a part of normal business. the idea that that our government would be using drone aircraft to assassinate american citizens who have never seen the inside of a courtroom who have never been charged with a crime and have not had due process which is their constitutional right would have been unthinkable and it's something now that happens every every so often every few weeks every few months and there is no public outrage i think this is a very dangerous development. well i was in for most rendition regime was one of the key issues raised during the week of pretrial hearings for the alleged mastermind of the nine eleven attacks and his four accomplices in guantanamo bay meanwhile investigations into america's so-called black sites abroad have revealed very little so far saudis are ridiculous reports even if facts were forthcoming just this. guantanamo may haul go all the he

of a police state the united states has become you know ten years ago the thought of the national security agency spying on american citizens and intercepting their emails would have been anathema to americans and now it's just a part of normal business. the idea that that our government would be using drone aircraft to assassinate american citizens who have never seen the inside of a courtroom who have never been charged with a crime and have not had due process which is their constitutional right would have been unthinkable and it's something now that happens every every so often every few weeks every few months and there is no public outrage i think this is a very dangerous development this is the weekly on our to senator john kerry was sworn in as the new u.s. secretary of state this week i will defense chief nominee chuck hagel was ultimately grilled by the senate a kerry took over from hillary clinton and many analysts believe he is likely to be rather old school in his approach. you know there may be some changes in style and tone but there won't be a change in substance between kerry and

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