it is my impression that a lot has been done among the key federal agencies, fbi, department of homeland security, national security agency, all of those who are stakeholders. a lot has been done over the situation -- you have to remember, our voting apparatus is very decentralized. it is done at the state and local level. i was really taken aback during the 2016 and what we were seeing when jehans doing johnson reached out to election officials and got a lot of pushback. -- i am confident that a lot has been done to make it better. point, whenever up, securingmes the voting apparatus, that is important. one been of me, is the problem. the other is intellectual security. how do you get people to question what they are seeing or reading on the internet? this is where the russians exploded our divisiveness by using social -- exploited our divisiveness by using social media. >> mike, let me ask you the same thing. how vulnerable do you think we are heading into 2020, whether the resistance that jim ,escribes to federal help whether that is changing? and also, maybe on the broader question that jim raises abou

starting on just a minute book to be national security agency contractor edward snowden, talks aboutxposing the u.s. government mass surveillance programs and having to go into exile as a result. holick as survivor irene, reflects on her childhood. imprisoned into concentration camps during world war ii, and her arrival to the united states in 1945, and later provides a history of september 11th 2001, by utilizing newly transcripts interviews with those directly affected by the image of the day. i don't start now. check your program guide for more information. . . .

is there's a belief in effect it's the belief that we learn from the documents that the national security agency is able to penetrate the equipment and actually spy on the spies so we know that in addition to that it requires all companies in china were ostensibly those to provide data on the chinese intelligence and security services. >> host: i want to go down two paths that we have remaining. one is foreign affairs a number of years back that conducted a poll and the question was if russia a geopolitical challenge or threat, and it was interesting because half of the experts basically had said yes but the other half focused on china and very specifically said it's not russia, it's china. let's take a look at both. you've written about both so where on the scale do you fit, where is china and where is russia in terms of the threats and allies. >> guest: china is the greatest threat and i think this was a little confusing in the trump administration's national security policy where they coupled with china and russia together. this has been a bureaucratic ploy for many years to try to diminish t

the investigation is a two—year probe by the uk's national cyber security centre and the us national security agencypacked iranians hackers... —— hacked iranian hackers, that is quite the tongue twister! now, back to brexit... tongue twister! now, back to brexit. .. trying legislation first, this means we will have the very jazzy withdrawal agreement, before mps tomorrow, it'll be fascinating to see, in estimates of this support that it can get, the second reading, the first time in this vote, it could well be a majority. afterwards, that is when this really sta rts afterwards, that is when this really starts to come into play, because mps have their various hobby horses that they want to add in terms of amendments, customs union, second referendum, you name it, they will try, because that same day there will be more votes and considerations at the committee stage. so, who knows, at that point. one thing that is very clear, if it gets too amended, it becomes a sort of frankenstein is a monster of legislation, horrible to see, nothing like the deal that boris johnson wanted to put across, you may as

announcer: former national security agency contractor edward snowden talks about exposing u.s. governments mass surveillance program and going into exile in his book permanent record. then sunday live at noon eastern, in-depth with journalist naomi klein. >> this was the hottest summer on record. we have never had so little arctic sea ice. we are losing huge swaths in the amazon. we have lost much of the great barrier reef. these are the major features of our planet. arctic, the amazon, the great barrier reef. friend bills my mckibben says, breaking them. announcer: ms. klein talks about her books which include on fire, the burning case for green new shockno logo, and the doctrine. join the conversation live with your phone calls, tweets and facebook messages. and it 9:00 eastern on afterwards, in his latest book, deceiving the sky, washington times and national security columnist bill gertz talks about china's efforts to become a global military and economic superpower. he is interviewed by the former under secretary of state for goebel affairs. >> everyone is looking at the c

there is an ongoing process demanding that to report to be issued by the director of the national security agency to reveal who has ordered the crime and to impose sanctions on various individuals at touch to the crime that paul says is has been initiated it falls adopted by the american house by your vast majority only 8 members voted against it we need to lead that process continued. to maturation and of fully to allow for that a truth telling to take place through that democratic process so that's just some eggs. ampoules of what can be done to ensure justice for jamal outside the saudi legal system there are other things that we should ask we should for instance demand that the next g. 20 in riyadh and. does not take place there that i know the g 20 members are volunteers to host. the meeting failing that i think the member states that will participate to the g 20 must do that by demanding certain conditions on the part of of riyadh and they must also be prepared to take a stand something they did not do in osaka. 29000 in my view was instrumental ised by the u.s. president to attribute legit

had the cia, the defense department, the state department, the treasury department, every national security agency you can think of would have been around the table with us, trying to figure out what piece of this can we help solve or address. on the other hand, as soon as that person is identified as being a domestic terrorist and not in any way linked to an isis or al qaeda, all of the rest of us in a metaphorical sense pushed ourselves back to the table and looked to the right and said, fbi, over to you. and it it becomes simply an fbi matter to treat as a law enforcement set of challenges. i don't say that in any way of being critical of my friends and colleagues at the fbi. we tend to leave them alone on the playing field when dealing with this set of issues. to their credit, they're amping up their game, ramping up their game against this set of officials. you've seen fbi officials in testimony talk about that. i think the rest of the government may need to catch up in terms of its ability to credibility to solutions on this domestic terrorism -- >> just to fill in that part, nick, why is it

but also the white house the president states the vice president you know the head of the national security agency they're not going to take too kindly to getting. having someone even as senior as i was having them be exposed and so they're going to retaliate the problem is that these laws although they say and i was under the intelligence community was our protection act also later with the department defense i g.'s act. it's supposed to protect you but there's not to protect you against retaliation and you are left extraordinarily exposed as the head so in my particular case my case is filed under the false claims act which also has a protection for retaliation and in my experience that's on paper because unless you're willing to file a lawsuit against the retaliation your work is going to tell you it's perceived any time you have a complaint so i don't think they work well at least not in my instance tell me that i could jump in just a little context but remember that thomas drake was a multi-decadal servant of our nation. and and someone who had proven his patriotism time and time again he cam

but also the white house the president states the vice president you know the head of the national security agency they're not going to take too kindly to getting having someone even a senior as i was having them be exposed and so they're going to retaliate the problem is that these laws although they say and i was under the intelligence community was our protection act also later with the department defense i g.'s act . it's supposed to protect you but there's not to protect you against retaliation and you are left extraordinarily exposed as the head so in my particular case my case is filed under the false claims act which also has a protection for retaliation and in my experience that's on paper because unless you're willing to file a lawsuit against the retaliation your work is going to tell you it's perceived any time you have a complaint so i don't think they work well at least not in my instance tomba had i could jump in just a little context let's remember that thomas drake was a multi-decadal servant of our nation. and and someone who had proven his patriotism time and time again he came

he has designed cyber security and anti—espionage sytems for the national security agency and in theshington. thank you so much for your time. is the uk government right? is this a game changer? i - everybody likes to say every change is a game changer. i like to say that this is making things a little bit easier follow enforcement, and that is a good thing in investigating crimes that might otherwise be too hard to investigate. so, for people watching, what they would assume this means is that if somebody tweets a threat or rights of threat on facebook that their details can perhaps be shared. is that correct? could social media companies be compelled to give people's details now? well, frankly they always could be compelled to give details. what this allows for is, let's say, for example somebody is tweeting a threat to a uk school somewhere, somewhere like that, just as an example. and it turns out that they have to go through the us to get information. if it is a minor threat and it is not a major investigation, you are going to have a single law enforcement agent trying to fight

national times national -- to become a global military and economic superpower, and former national security agency contractor edward snowden talks about exposing the u.s. government's mass surveillance program and having to go into exile as a result. that all starts tonight at 7:30 p.m. eastern. check your program guide for more information. >> the book is called "the deep state: 15 surprising dangers you should know." craig huey is the author. mr. huey, how do you define the deep state? >> guest: the deep state is not just what most people consider to be the government and government bureaucrats. it's far greater than that. the deep state, many people say there is no deep state. well, i believe there is the, and i think historically we find that from the beginning of government there has been a deep state. in my book i i actually go into where the word came from, from the early 1900s in turkey. and the deep state are bureaucrats and the infrastructure that continues no matter what the administration is. and the case here in the united states, i talk about the deep state with the government employ

out to quite a number of people at gchq, it was an e—mail from a senior figure at the us national security agencylined a request for information from people working in allied intelligence services, such as gchq, information that could be used as leverage on key diplomats sitting on the un security council, who were about to vote, it was expected, on an iraq war security council resolution. and to quote what frank koza wanted, he said "i want the whole gamut of information that could give us policymakers an edge in obtaining results favourable to us goals". you found that deeply disturbing. idid. because there was an agenda there. the agenda was to go to war and that agenda was to get un authorisation for war by any means necessary. and that was including the bribing and blackmailing of un diplomats. you feared, i mean, he didn't ever, in his e—mail, talk about bribing or indeed... no. but it is inferred. and, you know, it says "domestic and office communications" in the e—mail. and it targets those six swing nations which were sitting on the un security council at the time. so here we get to this

words" well off the washington times national security Ãbstuff china's efforts to become economic superpower. at 11:00 p.m. eastern former national security agency talks about exposing the u.s. governments mass surveillance program and having to going to exile as a result. that all starts now. here's the "chatter on books" podcast with wil haygood. >>. >> welcome everybody. we are back with "chatter on books" and happily we already disclosed location one more page book in arlington where we took books wine and chocolate more seriously than ourselves. thank you so much for letting us be here.thank you so much for coming. >> it's great to be out in the open where people can find us. i'm here with tina mcmanus and david aldrich and a little bit later will be speaking with wil haygood who i'm honored to meet. we will talk about a lot of things tonight but we are going to talk

today and tomorrow the former national security agency contractor discusses has a exposing of the u.s. program. we visit rapid city south dakota to tour the sites. that is all airing this weekend on c-span two book tv. check your program guide for the complete schedule. we kicked up the weekend with mary grace on the workhorse behind large tech companies like amazon and uber. >> welcome everybody. thank you very much for coming. i am a faculty member in the economic department. the purpose of the task force is to engage and confront the sense that the labor market

conscience a whistle blowing in an age of fort thomas drake a former intelligence analyst at the national security agency who blew the whistle on the agency's controversial surveillance program he was in the u.s. but he's joining us from melbourne australia and in our studio and then back with can see is a corporate whistleblower who worked as a compliance officer at how the facts health systems in florida for 20 years you'll hear her story in just a moment however what it's good to have you here talk this book is not a small book let me just show it to people how big it is and you spoke to so much. the whistleblower has as you were getting this entire book together how did you how did you sit down and and put those stories together so that we got a reading good sense of what many people will supply and what happens to them. i began by looking at one corner of whistle blowing false claims act whistle blowing which is corporate fraud and gradually as i talked with the people i began to get a sense of the sorts of people that do this in that area and then i began to realize that actually this is not just a

it's just a collection of bureaucrats from across various national security agencies. who sets foreign policy? the constitution says the president does. but you have these critters like -- what is it with these lieutenant colonels who come out of nowhere who want to have world war iii with russia. but what this is is range insubordination. this isn't whistle blowing. you say i have feeling. i feel donald trump is doing something unethical. donald trump had no idea who this guy was until four or five days ago. lou: senator mike lee doesn't want you to know about his bill that would accelerate the flow of indian h-1b visa workers into the united states, putting all of the progress for the american middle class and workers at peril. yesterday senator dick durbin called for a further look into lee's senate bill 386 nobody as the quote fairness for high-skilled immigrants act. when was the last while we saw a fairness for the middle class and american workers act. the bill is supported by the indian government and big tech firms like google and microsoft. today lee objected

through 2006 is michael hayden a legendary director among cia officials former director of national security agency steeped in intelligence in the military, i really - - highly respected p-letter came in in 2064 years after the first detainee and said put this on more solid ground. he was a voracious reader to master the detail. let me read everything for the right path so that effort led to a few more interrogations but by that point the writing was on the wall just five years after 9/11 four years after the 2002 capture the program is already declining. the appetite was not there. what worked, what didn't interrogator said we'll think despite the national conversation this is the most significant technique we have sleep deprivation for example again and again is a technique that was successful people don't like to be tired and then they start to lose their will. so he scaled back the program sometimes the program was shut down their time they would scale back caa leadership if you want to change the documentation we are not leaving until you change it we don't move without paper in that paper has

national times national -- to become a global military and economic superpower, and former national security agency contractor edward snowden talks about exposing the u.s. government's mass surveillance program and having to go into exile as a result. that all starts tonight at 7:30 p.m. eastern. check your program guide for more information. >> the book is called "the deep state: 15 surprising dangers you

> reporter: snowden, a former cia employee and nsa contractor, shared documents from the national security agency about far-reaching surveillance programs. >> people's lives are at risk here because of data that mr. snowden -- >> reporter: among other things, snowden was charged with giving national defense information to someone without a security clearance and revealing classified information. he's living in exile in russia. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> randi, thank you for that report. >>> the u.s. supreme court starts a new term on monday and justices will confront a number of politically explosive issues. >> it will be a challenge for the chief justice to keep the high court out of the spotlight when the rulings emerge during an election year. we have the details. >> reporter: a mow men to us term is set to again. the justices will tackle an array of issues, lgbt rights, gun rights, and last week the court agreed to hear an abortion case. all these opinions will come down in the heat of the next election. they'll be heard by president trump's two nominees, gorsuch and brett kavanaugh. on su

it is my impression that a lot has been done among the key federal agencies, fbi, department of homeland security, national security agency, all of those who are stakeholders. overnk a lot has been done the situation where we were in 2016. you have to remember, our voting apparatus is very decentralized. it is done at the state and local level. i was really taken aback during the 2016 and what we were seeing the russians doing when jeh johnson reached out to election commissions at the state level and got a lot of pushback. we don't want the feds messing with us, sort of thing. that, i'md all confident a lot has been done to make it better. if i may make a point, whenever this topic comes up, securing the voting apparatus, that is important. but that, to me, is one been of the problem. the other is intellectual security. meaning, how do you get people to question what they see written on the internet? and this is where the russians exploited our divisiveness by using social media. so that part of the problem i'm not sure about. >> mike, let me ask you the same thing. how vulnerable do you think we are head

certainly among the key federal agencies at the -ite deferment of homeland security national security agency, all of this it have had our stakeholders and can help us. i think a lot has been done. over the situation where we were in 2016, but you've got to remember that our voting apparatus is very decentralized. it said that state and local loophole and not at the federal loophole. i was really taken aback during the 2016 and we are seeing with russians doing when jay johnson then secretary of homeland security, reach out to voting officials and election commissions and the sort of thing at the state loophole. and a lot of pushback. we want the feds messing with this sort of thing. so i think having said all of that, i am confident that a lot has been done. to make it better and if i may david make a point here, i'd this topic comes up, securing the voting apparatus apparatus, the voting machines, computation of votes, transmission of votes, and all of that, that's usually important. but that is to me, at least one division of the problem. the other than is what i might call the lack

. >> reporter: a former cia employee and nsa contractor shared documents from the national security agencyrveillance programs. >> people's lives are at risk here because of data that mr. snowden exposed. >> he was charged of giving national security information to someone without a security clearance. he's living in exile in russia. randi kaye, new york. >> we'll hand it over to chris for cuomo "primetime." >> i am chris cuomo. this is "prime tootime." tonight we'll show that people put in place by this president thought what he was asking from ukraine was wrong. proof of an obvious expectation by ukraine that investigating biden would get them the

robert dateets, a former senior council fwhb a similar role, he was general council to the national security agencythank you for jumping on the line. >> absolutely, it's a pleasure. >> what does it mean to you that they viewed this as a general referr referral? >> it is really surprising. the general counctsel is a very senior and experienced lawyer who read some facts and do the correct thing and she referred it to the department of justice. it is kind of interesting the department of justice took a very narrow pinned view of the complain and looked at it in a narrow way and dismissed it. that is not the way that proper prosecution works. what you do is you start with the facts and maybe the crime doesn't value this particular statute, but you don't look it in this narrow way and move on. >> how many criminal referrals did you make. >> not that many, probably three or for and they went to the doj and they would call back to me and say, you know, we have seen this, what about that, so -- >> just slow down because all of my panelists, this is a slow down, the thing that they phoned in on the plot is

employee and nsa contractor shared documents from the national security agency about far-reaching surveillance programs. >> people's lives are at risk here because of data that mr. snowden exposed. >> he was charged of giving national security information to someone without a security clearance. he's living in exile in russia. randi kaye, new york. >> we'll hand it over to chris for cuomo "primetime." >> i am chris cuomo. this is "prime tootime." tonight we'll show that people put in place by this president thought what he was asking from ukraine was wrong. proof of an obvious expectation by ukraine that investigating biden would get them the relationship desired with trump. what do you say, let's get after it. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> this breaking news is from "the new york times." a report that there could be a second potential whistle-blower on ukraine. the "times" says it's a second intel official, one who is also alarmed by president trump's dealings and may have more firsthand information about the situation. however, tonight we don't have to wait. we have the truth i

as a former cia employee in contractor for the national security agency yet access to some of the nationst closel held secrets. as it turns out he revealed in new memoir art government is no aware of anyto extraterrestrial life. >> a group of corrupt republicans stormed into the impeachment hearing. why weren't they allowed to be there? apparently the cowardly corrupt schiff couldn't handle it all so we suspended the hearing for hours and fled the scene ass quickly as he could. here now with more from washington, kevin mccarthy. you are the leader of these republicans congressmen. this has to happen every day. i read your letter and i mentioned all the items you brought up aboutne fairness and due process. tell me what they had to say, this inquiry is constitutionally invalid, violates basic due process rights, separation of power. the invalid impeachment inquiry ryainly seeks to reverse the election of 2016 and influence the election of 2020. if you are thenc one that identy the difference between what republicans did in the case of bill clinton. non -- nothing is being afforded by donal

. >> snowden, a former cia employee, shared documents from the national security agency about far reaching surveillance programs. >> people's lives are at risk here because of data that mr. snowden purloined. >> among other things, snowden was charged with giving national defense information to someone without a security clearance and revealing classified information. he's living in exile in russia. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >>> with us now, a journalist and author whose new book on whistleblowers just hit store shelves. it's "crisis of conscious, whistleblowering in an age of fraud." tom mueller is here with us. also here our political analyst patrick healey. tom, you wrote this whole book on whistleblowers and now we have news that there are multiple whistleblowers into actions happening at the white house. does it necessarily make the accusation against the president stronger if more than one person comes forward? >> it certainly does. what we're seeing now is a community of whistleblowers coming forward. each revelation by each individual, much as a series of witnesses to a murder, wi

the day long testimony of the national security agency witness, the july phone call between presidentsident of ukraine just ended. when i say witness heard the call. details of his testimony just now coming out. we touched on the background on the attacks against lieutenant colonel alexander vindman at the beginning of the program. here's a lot more to know. he and his twin brother came to the united states when they were 3 years old. he joined the army back in 1999 and has had a distinguished career. he served in iraq. he still carries shrapnel in his body from an i.e.d. attack for which he earned a purple heart. he was stomped on when he said he would testify. laura ingraham and john yu spoke last night. >> here we have a u.s. national security official who is advising ukraine while working inside the white house apparently against the president's interests and usually they spoke in english. isn't that kind of an interesting angle on this story? >> i find that astounding and some people might call that espionage. >> espionage. on this network earlier today sean duffy claiming vindma

al-qaeda we would've had the cia, the defence department, the treasury department every national security agency that you can think of would've been around the table with us trying to figure out what piece of this can we help solve for address, on the other hand as soon as that person identified as a domestic terrorists and not being willing to an isis or nokia all the rest of us in the metaphorical sense pushed ourselves back from the table and look to the raid and said fbi over to you, it becomes then is simply an fbi matter to treat this as a law enforcement set of challenges, i don't say this as being critical what i'm saying is we tend to leave them alone on the playing field, to their credit they're amping up their game against that set of issues when you see the testimony talking about that but i think the rest of the government needs to catch up in terms of its ability to contribute to solutions on this. >> just to fill in that part, why do you need a whole of government approach that area. >> because instead 11 no one a tool in the two boxes actually able to deal with any of this is rea

> reporter: snowden, a former cia employee and nsa contractor, shared documents from the national security agency about far-reaching surveillance programs. >> people's lives are at risk here because of data that mr. snowden -- >> reporter: among other things, snowden was charged with giving national defense information to someone without a security clearance and revealing classified information. he's living in exile in russia. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >>> well, police in the u.s. state of kansas are searching for a man who open fire in a bar killing four people. his companion was taken into custody on sunday. the suspects have been identified as 29-year-old ugor v vil new eva. >> two of the victims were mexican citizens. they believe the shooting was triggered by a dispute inside the bar. >> we do not believe it's random. we do believe this was an isolated incident, i guess you would call it. we don't feel that these suspects are going to go out and do this again. >> and at the time of the shooting, about 40 people were inside that bar. >>> just days after testifying in the murder trial of a po

everything from demeaning and demoralizing our national security agencies, the fbi, cia, the nuclear agreement with iran. all of these things and now syria. you put the scoreboard up there in the first five innings. win for putin. win for putin. it's another win for putin and another harm to our alliances and really key allies. keep in mind ukraine is an ally. ukraine was invaded by russia. a war is going on now. what does trump do? he tries to get dirt onleverage president. for our nato allies, more than a billion dollars of critical infrastructure taken from our nato allies in eastern europe and put into the border wall. unconsciousable. one more win for putin. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >>> we have more breaking news coming up. how far will democrats go do protect whistle-blowers complaining about the president as one is in talks to testify and a second has come forward. i can't believe it. what? that our new house is haunted by casper the friendly ghost? hey jill! hey kurt! movies? i'll get snacks! no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on ou

. >> former national security agency contractor edward snowden talks about exposing the u.s. governments' mass surveillance program and going into exile in this book "prominent record," then on sunday at noon eastern, department "in depth" with journal jim naomi kline giant the hottest summer on record. we have never had so little arctic sea ice. we are losing huge swaths of the amazon. we have lost much of the grate barrier reef. these are the major features of or planet. the arctic, the amazon, the great barrier reef and we are, breaking them. >> she talked about books which include on fire, the burning case for a green new deal. no logo, and the shock doctrine. join in the conversation like with your phone calls, tweets and facebook messages. and at 9:00 eastern on "after words" in this latest book, deciphering the. >> "washington times" national security column nist talks about china's effort to become a global military and economic super power. he is interviewed by the former undersecretary of state for global affairs. >> everyone is looking at the chinese economic threa

states, t the fbi has carried out thousands of unconstitutional, warrantless searches of the national security agency's vast computer archives, including the protected personal data of u.s. citizens and residents. that's according to a ruling last october by the secretive foreign intelligence surveillance act couourt that ts declassified this week. in the partially redacted rulili, judge jajames boasbergrg determined the fbi failed toto meet minimum legal standards to protect people's fourth a rights to privacy. on one day alone, in december 2017, the fbi illegally queried the nsa's database nearly 7000 times using people's social security numbers. the united states has blacklisted 28 chinese compmpanies, goverernment ofcec, and security bureaus over their alleged role in china's mass imprisonmement of muslim uyghurs ananother minority groups s in e fafar western reregion of xinjn. the u.s. commerce department said -- "these entities have been implicated in human rights violations and abuses in the implementation of china's campaign of repression, mass arbitrary detention, and high-technology surveilla

here is that his behavior over the past couple of years has caused the intelligence and national security agenciesr the way they engage with the president. i've talked to people who said that when it comes to giving the president intelligence and that the briefers and agencies have had to make adjustments to the way they present information and make adjustments to the way the president received that information so they could ensure he consumes what is important. so those sort of issues that are the president's own doing certainly do make a case for the idea that he's not fully immersed in national security issues enough to be able to make the decisions he need to make and from that perspective, there is a threat to our facial security. >> the president responded to biden on twitter. he said so pathetic to see sleepy joe biden with his son hunter and to the detriment of the american taxpayer has ripped off two countries for millions of dollars, calling for my impeachment and i did nothing wrong. joe's failing campaign gave him no other choice. i know this is a tall ask, jackie, but fact check that

>> reporter: snowden a former cia employee and nsa contractor shared documents from the national security agency reaching surveillance programs. >> peoples lives are at risk here because of data that mr. snowden -- >> reporter: and he was charged with revealing classified information. he's living in exile in russia. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> i am chris cuomo and welcome to prime time. breaking news a report of a second possible whistle-blower on ukraine. it's hard to know what more is needed because tonight we'll show that people put in place by this president felt what he was asking from ukraine was wrong. proof of an obvious expectation bayou crane that investigating biden would get them the relationship desired with trump. what do you say? let's get after it. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> this breaking news is from

. >> joining us, joel brenner who served as inspector general of the national security agency under president bush. he was head of u.s. intelligence from 2006 to 2009, senior research foal at mit center for international studies. thank you very much for joining us tonight. i want your reaction to what the president said about the whistle-blower. >> well, it gets curiouser and curiouser, lawrence. jim jordan, trying to think of a nice way to say this. the statute is very clear. it says the inspector general shall not disclose the identity of the whistle-blower. there are only a couple of instances under the statute, under the law, that the congress passed that would provide an exception. one is if the ig himself determines that in the course of the investigation there's no way to prevent its coming out, but the ig didn't do that. quite the contrary. the other is in case of a criminal referral. but the justice department passed on that criminal referral. the answer to mr. jordan's statement is "no," the american people doesn't have a right to know because the congress of the united states of wh

theory that it was actually ukraine that interfered with our elections contrary to what our national security agenciese said. and yes, i did sign on. all democrats on the judiciary committee signed a letter asking the attorney general to recuse himself from all things ukrainian because note that the somewhat transcript of the phone call between the president and the ukrainian president mentions bill barr in the same breath with giuliani a number of times. >> but i'm mostly interested in what he said here and how it makes sense. he says i'm not doing the investigation but he just previously spelled out all the steps that he did where he says i initially discussed these matters with those foreign countries. then i introduced them to john durham, who's the attorney general who is -- or the investigator from connecticut who is doing the investigation. i established a channel by which mr. durham can obtain assistance from those countries. how is he not involved? >> you point out very rightly that he's been busy flying all over the place in this attorney general plane that he has, and he's been talking to a

i think the fbi, department of homeland security, national security agency and others have done this,tates. but you have to remember that our election process and the apparatus that supports it is very decentralized. among 50 states and local entities. so i think at that level, probably progress towards securing the voter apparatus and election apparatus is probably uneven, at best. what's missing is the galvanizing effect of the president championing election security in the minds of the american people and the american electorate. and that's just been a big void. >> well, folks at home care about it. they should call their congressman or woman. director clapper, thanks very much. >>> major development. turkey's president saying the offensive against kurdish forces in syria is now officially under way. we're live on the syrian border, next. you may know us from... your very first sandwich, your mammoth masterpiece. and...whatever this was. because we make our meat with the good of the deli and no artificial preservatives. make every sandwich count with oscar mayer deli fresh. you get

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the reason is, there is a belief, we have learned from this noting documents that the national security agency was able to penetrate huawei equipment and actually spy on the spies that the chinese were spying on. so, we know that in addition to that they have what is known as an intelligence law which requires allstate companies in china were private companies to provide data for chinese intelligence and unity services. >> i want to go down to last pass in the time we have remaining. one of which is, foreign affairs and number of years back to the pole, conducted a poll on in the poll the question was is russia geopolitical threat. and it was interesting because half of the foreign policy experts basically in varying degrees said yes, but the other half focused on china. and very specifically said that it is not russia, it is china. let's take a look at both, you have covered boat, you have written about both so, where on the scales you fit, where is china? where's rusher in terms of geopolitical threats to the united states and our allies? >> in terms of magnitude, china is by far the greates

eastern former national security agency contractor edward snowden talks about exposing the u.s.governments mass surveillance program and having to going to exile as a result. that all starts now. here's the "chatter on books" podcast with wil haygood. >>. >> welcome everybody. we are back with "chatter on books" and happily we already disclosed location one more page book in arlington where we took books wine and chocolate more seriously than ourselves. thank you so much for letting us be here.thank you so much for coming. >> it's great to be out in the open where people can find us. i'm here with tina mcmanus and david aldrich and a little bit later will be speaking with wil haygood who i'm honored to meet. we will talk about a lot of things tonight but we are going to talk about "tigerland" which is a remarkable book about some incredible young man at a very difficult time. a couple things on tap some random thought, jeannie, i know you have a few? >> i'm kind of obsessed with looking at bestseller lists which you hate. i take the bullet for the team but i'm also is interested

there is an ongoing process demanding that a report to be issued by the director of the national security agency to reveal who has ordered the crime and to impose sanctions on various individuals at touch to the crime that paul says is has been initiated it falls adopted by the american house by your vast majority only 8 members voted against it we need to lead that process continued. to maturation and obviously to allow for that a truth telling to take place through that democratic process so that's just some eggs. of what can be done to ensure justice for jamal outside the saudi legal system there are other things that we should ask we should for instance demand that the next g. 20 in riyadh. does not take place there that i know there are g 20 members of volunteers to host. the meeting failing that i think the member states that will participate to the g 20 must do that by demanding. certain conditions on the part of of riyadh they must also be prepared to take a stand something they did not do in osaka. 29000 in my view was instrumental ised by the us president to attribute legitimacy. to th

it prompted a rare public statement by gchq, which is the british equivalent of our nsa, national security agency completely rebut the president's allegation. so i don't know what the expectation here is because this reporting was done in good faith by foreign service officers or law enforcement or intelligence officials who thought we should know about, you know, these activities. so do they expect now that because there are political leaders who he thinks are more in tune with him, that somehow they're going to say, oh, april fool, you know, we were just kidding before, three-plus years ago. so i don't see the point of it. one other bad effect, of course, is that i worry that particularly the intelligence services of these close allies who have freely shared information with us in the past will think twice before they do that when it appears as though they're going to be investigated. >> the very fact that the attorney general of the united states, who rudy giuliani tonight on fox apparently referred to as the president's government attorney -- and rudy is -- he's the president's personal attor

makes it difficult for troops on the ground, national security agencies to know what to do because you can't trust this guy. here's the other dangerous thing with this report, these two souring him on ukraine. we also have to remember plenty of times this president has attempted to have conversations with foreign leaders without translators present. without having notes present. so who knows what other issues he could be speaking on or working on behalf of foreign agen agencies against american interests because we don't even know what they were talking about. >> you know, tim, i take jason's point, it's the last person he talked to, but the last person he talked to was never anyone urging him to put his finger on the scale for democracy or an ally. >> well, i think that that's -- we have to answer why that is. i think when -- frank is right to point out he's being manipulated. jason's right to point out he listens to the last person in his ear. why are those particular individuals the last people in his ear? >> every time. >> money. >> right. >> it's money. russia moved into crimea an

reporting from bloomberg, a reduction of capacity of head count, when we talk about the national security agency? >> this is a coverup. that's what happens when an agency, a leader, the white house, or any branch of government, begins to cover up evidence. they want to see less sunlight in the agency. they want to see less personnel there. so less people have access to incriminating information. so obviously, this is not good. it's not good to call on china to investigate a political opponent. and it is criminal to twist the arm of a country that is an ally of ours, the ukraine, that has a head-on collision with russia, to investigate a political opponent and hold back military aid. >> the inspector general also on the hill gave testimony, closed door. what do you make of that? >> i don't want to go ahead and reveal any of the testimony. we're still in the process of this investigation. all three committees are moving forward. the investigation will also, we will hear from other witnesses and hopefully for a second whistle-blower, and whatever he or she has to say. so we will hold back on castin