of defense of course there budget is 34 billion and, of course, part of that are involved in nationbuilding, failed state, all of this work as well as all of the other aspects as well. 2.1 billion roughly. dfid about 122 million. so if you at all a together this quite a lot of money involved really. this represent a substantial increase, does it, over the last 10 years? >> is. the figure you will recognize is the 1 billion spent on counterterrorism since back in time of 9/11 which is now 3.5 billion. depends on how you break these figures out is why i'm always very wary of actually coding them. but the bottom right is with spent a lot more. we doubled the size of the security service. >> thank you. >> just to prove the figures are not entirely unreliable that's a total budget that which is referred to. rather than the specific sick but if i might just make a point that in relation to that, which is there are so many areas of the foreign offices engaged in a have a direct implication in relation to this, whether that is engaged in afghanistan which would be obvious to everybody, or for that

there was this interest in nationbuilding. again, i'm something of a skeptic about that but i'm going to be the first to salute arab democracy in the middle east if this thing holds. i think it's great that i remember during the purple thumb campaign it was very hard not to get excited about that. the other thing is, a kind of apart from our dna, you know, the "washington post" a new currency of the day, they interviewed some guy living under a t.a.r.p. in haiti. they said what's the solution? he said there is no solutions. they will just take us over. thank you, we will pass. but in a way a lot of people know that. that if you're in desperate circumstances, what's the one country you would like to deliver you that you know likely doesn't have any ulterior purpose but to help you. it's most likely the united states. >> host: speaking of the elder george bush, h.w. bush, he was in my mind one of the best or perhaps most underrated foreign policy president we had, whether it was how he handled cautiously and successfully the dem

there was a nationbuilding. again, something of a skeptic of that but i will be the to salute american democracy in the middle east. if this thing called i think it is great. remember during the purple thumb campaign it was very hard not to get excited about that. the other thing is, apart from our dna, you know, the "washington post" and "new york times" the other day, indeed some guy living under parkland and 80. they said what's the solution? he said there is no solution, just if the united states takes us over. well, thank you. we will pass. but in a way a lot of people know that, that if you're in desperate circumstances, what's the one country you would like to deliver you that you know likely doesn't have any ulterior purpose but to help you? is most likely the united states post-mac speaking of the elder george bush, h. w. bush, he was in my mind one of the best and perhaps most underrated foreign policy president we had, where there was how he handled cautiously and successfully the demise of the soviet