we just played a clip of donald trump saying we must abandndon e failed policy of nationbuilding.ou have been critical of it also. raed: i agree with that half of the sentence. thathe said, let's replace with a policy of working our -- to in the region by take out islamic extremists. the obama administration has been relying on our so-called allies in the region. these forces have been committing mass atrocities against their own people and their neighbors. the fact that the u.s. is not directly bombing are sending that these not mean crimes are not our moral obligation to deal with. the u.s. is justifying them. it is not the trump was saying, let's change this policy to a policy where the u.s. would stop inteterfering inin the region ad messing with people's domomtic issues. he's saying, let's stop these policieses by relying on corrupt regimes in the region that are even worse in dealing with human rights than our own. amy: raed jarrar, i want to thank you for being with us. this is democracy now! when we comeme back, we talk wih some of the chief anchors of the networks about t

we began to panic and said nationbuilding doesn't work.aybe our goals were the problem maybe our understanding of the problem is the problem. let's not think in terms of nationbuilding but let's think in terms of stability. what does this teen? i was trying to think of a good acronym, some of you might know i spent seven days think about whether or not to run for president. i didn't. it was a great decision. you know, this would be a policy that i would prefer it would look like. i don't think it's an electric electric -- electoral winner, but i'll open this up to four elements. permanent, realizing our war with radical islam and jihadists is not something that will be won or lost anytime soon or within a definite time horizon because it's a war with the mindset and ideology that has existed for more than 100 years. aggressive. you're you're not going to sit and wait to be attacked. not going to allow the enemy to build safe havens and maintain safe havens overseas because if there's one thing that we do know beyond a shadow of a doubt, if

following, "as we look beyond the wars in iraq and afghanistan, and the conclusion of long-term nationbuilding with large military footprint, we will continue to get rid of outdated, cold war-era systems and ensure our security with a more agile and more flexible force. that will be replaced with the following. "we will seek a more agile and flexible force, advancing our objectives in iraq and afghanistan without large u.s. military footprint. improving civilian capacity for conflict resolution and stabilization, and ridding the military of out dated cold war-era systems." >> the proposer has one minute. ok, it's coming. >> sorry, mr. chair. getne moment as we try to to agreement with the other campaign. give me one minute. >> will give you a minute. there may be an agreement on this. mr. chair? >> yes. >> it is my understanding there has been an agreement reached with the sanders campaign. >> that means 191 is being withdrawn and will be on the manager's mark, which we will take up later. >> thank you, mr. chair. amendments? >> amendment number 27, sponsored by rand hawke. the proposed amendm

we must abandon the failed policies of nationbuilding and regime change that hillary clinton pushed in iraq, in libya, and egypt, and in syria. work with allst of our allies who share our goals of destroying isis and stamping out islamic terrorism doing it it now, quickly, we are going to win, were going to win bad. [applause] this includes working with our greatest ally in the region, the state of israel. [applause] recently i have said that nato was obsolete, because it did not properly cover terror. and also, that many of the members -- countries were not paying their fair share. states hashe united been picking up the cost. shortly thereafter, it was announced that nato will be setting up a new program in order to combat terrorism. a true step in the right direction. [applause] lastly, and very importantly, we must immediately suspend immigration from any nation that has been compromised by time, as until such proving mechanisms have been put in place, we don't want them in our country. [applause] my opponent has called for a increase in syrian -- think of this, think of this, this

we must abandon the failed policy of nationbuilding and regime change that hillary clinton pushed inraq in libya, egypt, and in syria. instead, we must work with all of our allies who share our goals of destroying isis and stamping out islamic terrorism, and doing it now, doing it quickly. we are going to win. we are going to win fast. [applause] [chanting usa] this includes working with our greatest allies in the region, the state of israel. [applause] recently, i have said that nato was obsolete because it did not alsorly cover terror, and that many of the member countries were not paying their fair share. usual, the united states has been picking up the cost. , it wasthereafter announced that nato would be setting up a new program in order to combat terrorism, a true step in the right direction. [applause] lastly and importantly, we must immediately suspend immigration from any nation that has been until such terrorism time as proven betting mechanisms have been put in place. we don't want them in our country. [applause] my opponent has called for a in syrian0% increase -- think o

as we look beyond the wars in iraq and afghanistan and the inclusion of long-term nationbuilding with large military footprints >> will give you a minute. there may be an agreement on this. my understanding is that there has been agreement reached with the sanders campaign. [applause] >> 191 is being withdrawn. are there any other amendments? >> amendment number 27. the proposed amendment is to add after the words wounds of war. >> i will withdraw this. >> that is the entirety of the amendments to come before us in our current form. we will go to global threats. >> democrats are fully committed to marshaling a wide range of resources including coalitions we willnerships strengthen our country. to deter aggression and promote peace. >> thank you mayor. >> any other amendments to this section. this has 83 on the front. they are being passed out. we'll wait a minute. (crowd chatter) amendment 83 has been withdrawn. the proposed amendment is to strike a following. work with the international community to resolve any potential disputes with iran. [applause] maya: we will continue the work

so you have to combine those -- charlie: he said that about the military as well, nationbuilding, everythingf them. calvin: on the other hand, the armed services are probably the best example of desegregation that we have. charlie: absolutely. calvin: and i think it is simple because they were just told to do it, and they did it. charlie: do you know how long ago that happened? that was during truman's administration. 1840. -- 1940. truman left in 1952. brown versus board of education was in 1954. calvin: eisenhower said you can legislate morality, but we try to do that with divorce laws and everything like that. you can't legislate morality, but you can legislate behavior. that is what the armed forces did. charlie: this is for decades, 50 years of reporting. have we changed? clearly things are better in part. calvin: things are definitely better. he is right. things are, i mean, when i went to jackson for the 50th commemoration of the freedom rights -- riots, both the police chief and the mayor were african-americans. that would not have happened 20 years ago. obvious things. i would to ge

nationbuilding is not something we you or other people do well. tom friedman: exactly.is why i said the central, and what about in the chapter on geopolitics, the central geopolitical question of our time is, what do you do when the necessary is impossible, the impossible is necessary? we have learned that nation building is impossible. we don't know how to do it. if you don't do it, in the old days, what would happen? somebody would get a live concert in the park, they say, we took care of the profits. i have been on the migration and refugee trail. two months ago, they don't want any live concerts. and they have a cell phone. they are in desperate straits, and they are going to come. it is a big problem. charlie: it also propelled the arab spring. tom friedman: all these same forces. charlie: they knew there was a better life somewhere. they wonder why the government stood in the way of a better life. tom friedman: these are young people who realize they live in the context or they could not live their full potential. charlie: that is a very big picture. we will go st

that is not a call for endless nationbuilding are fighting every bogeyman on the horizon.it is a recognition that the lesson we should learn from the last 15 years, the lesson we should learn from iraq is resolve works, not all these middle eastern wars are terrible, let's nation build at home and that is it. the difficult part of the narrative in the republican and democrat parties moving in the wrong direction, and learn everything we learned in those conflict and what i do over a couple chapters is make the case the iraq war is a war we should learn from about what to do in the right moment as opposed to run from. i think republicans and conservatives should stand confidently in every forum they can and point across the aisle to hillary clinton and barack obama and joe biden and say you are the reason isis has proliferated in iraq and afghanistan. it was american retreat that created those it was your policies that advanced chaos in the region and it is a more complex situation when you unfold every layer of that but ultimately it was lack of military will and lack of p

so nationbuilding is very important. tom: we will leave in there.ones, thank you for joining also own -- for joining us on such short notice. from london and new york, this is bloomberg. ♪ scarlet: good morning. this is bloomberg. i am scarlet fu. here is they which a rich with the up -- here is nejra cehic with an update on the attacks. nejra: the french prime minister is declaring three days of national mourning after the attacks that killed 84 people in nice. the children's hospital there treated several children. the attacker has been identified by police sources. more details as they become available. china's economy stabilized in the second quarter after policymakers stepped up monetary and fiscal policy support. industrial output and retail sales for june beat estimates while investments slowed rate a -- it surge has i a new poll shows hillary clinton holding single digit leads over donald trump in four key states -- colorado, florida, north carolina, and virginia, according to a "wall street journal"/nbc news survey. the former secretary of

donald trump pointed out, they are trying to do something and they would say this afghanistan nationbuilding exercise was designed to do that . i think it is just a bog. in thisreally need country is not necessarily european countries the countries in the middle east and eastern agent -- asia. we can exchange intelligence and do not need to have a formal alliance. even if we need to take military action, you put together a coalition. the iraq war was not nato because hardly anyone would participate with the u.s., only britain and spain. also these alliances can drag you into war. remember in world war i nobody really wanted war but they had these entangling alliances that forced them into war. alliances can be negative and in flexible, especially when things change. it in peds your flexibility. impedes your flexibility. we have never got much from allies as far as opening markets. they never have given us even trade concessions. canave traded trade so we keep our military bases, which makes no sense, i do not think. i think we need to rethink these things. host: natasha of santora, michigan

at their implications ground presence and nationbuilding after military operations cease.rrorism under any label whether it's isis or someone else is not to our advantage and we can expected to persist if there is chaos of the shorter length afterwards, so i think a probable goal for our current policy makers until january 2017 is continuing erosion of isis and its position and doing something more than we have been able to do so far particularly with understandings of the russian. some of the longer term issues on syria are ones that the next president will be facing and that we will be talking about well past next game or we're going to get used to the idea that even if and when the caliphate on the ground in syria and iraq is the more there will still be plenty of international terrorism including such as we saw, including attacks i would suspect claimed under the isis label, which has more or less replaced that al qaeda label as the brand name of choice of people of that ilk and this whole fact is going with the idea that what we do with liberated territory will probab

following, "as we look beyond the wars in iraq and afghanistan, and the conclusion of long-term nationbuildingith large military footprint, we will continue to get rid of outdated, cold war-era systems and ensure our security with a more agile and more flexible force. that will be replaced with the following. "we will seek a more agile and flexible force, advancing our objectives in iraq and afghanistan without large u.s. military footprint. improving civilian capacity for conflict resolution and stabilization, and ridding the military of out dated cold war-era systems." >> the proposer has one minute. ok, it's coming. >> sorry, mr. chair. getne moment as we try to to agreement with the other campaign. give me one minute. >> will give you a minute. there may be an agreement on this. mr. chair? >> yes. >> it is my understanding there has been an agreement reached with the sanders campaign. >> that means 191 is being withdrawn and will be on the manager's mark, which we will take up later. >> thank you, mr. chair. amendments? >> amendment number 27, sponsored by rand hawke. the proposed amendmen

donald trump pointed out, they are trying to do something and they would say this afghanistan nationbuildinge was designed to do that . i think it is just a bog. in thisreally need country is not necessarily european countries the countries in the middle east and eastern agent -- asia. we can exchange intelligence and do not need to have a formal alliance. even if we need to take military action, you put together a coalition. the iraq war was not nato because hardly anyone would participate with the u.s., only britain and spain. also these alliances can drag you into war. remember in world war i nobody really wanted war but they had these entangling alliances that forced them into war. alliances can be negative and in flexible, especially when things change. it in peds your flexibility. impedes your flexibility. we have never got much from allies as far as opening markets. they never have given us even trade concessions. canave traded trade so we keep our military bases, which makes no sense, i do not think. i think we need to rethink these things. host: natasha of santora, michigan on the r

donald trump is playing on is a fatigue with the wars in afghanistan and that we have a lot of nationbuilding at home, not just abroad. , and i think he uses those strands to paint a portrait of america as a victim. the we are doing all these things for the rest of the world, deriving no benefit at home. he would portray nato is something that we do only for the benefit of our nato allies, as if we derive no benefit ourselves. ourich i think underscores foreign policy. rather not get dragged ifo another world war nations were to find themselves fighting each other and the fact that i guarantee has had such respect, such credibility has kept the peace for decades. it is something that we derive distro --fit from a and as donald trump may not know, we have been the beneficiaries of that after 9/11 , when the rest of our nato allies came to our aid and assistance and have been great partners of us in places like afghanistan, iraq, and elsewhere. his portrayal of what nato means . foreign assistance has always been an easy target. at times, we have democratic presidential candidates, when asked w